And yet a few days ago people chased off someone ranting in a rant comm about cm. Seems more like those advocates for cm can’t handle the criticism or anything pointing out logical flaws in the megathread they update
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marcos@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Dude, I do recommend you look into yourself asking why so many people are disgusted by your believes and want to isolate you. It’s absolutely not something only 1 or 2 people do, and it’s not some frivolous preconception from people that never got you the benefit of the doubt.
You’ve got a rare opportunity where the bubble your ideas create got temporarily busted. It will form around you again if you don’t take it to reevaluate those ideas.
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 4 weeks ago
Objection@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
Dude, I do recommend you look into yourself asking why so many people are disgusted by your believes and want to isolate you. It’s absolutely not something only 1 or 2 people do
In my case, I’d say the main reason is that I don’t believe in God, and I’m queer. I don’t mean on Lemmy, I mean in the conservative area where I grew up. Lots of people were disgusted by my beliefs, and it wasn’t something only 1 or 2 people do.
However, since I rely on reason and evidence (rather than fucking societal pressure like liberals always seem to want me to follow), I was able to overcome all that.
Cricket@lemmy.zip 4 weeks ago
One of the arguments I’m making is that people should be allowed to believe what they want. I have liberal and conservative friends. No nazis though. Anyone putting people down for what they are instead of for what they do, they can go pound sand. As long as people are reasonable and can discuss ideas in a civil manner we can have a conversation.
Some people may think that my beliefs are disgusting. That’s fine - if that’s the case, I think that their beliefs are disgusting too. Have you ever considered that perhaps your ideas are a bubble? I don’t know what ideas exactly you’re talking about (yours or mine), so can only respond to you in general terms.
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 3 weeks ago
The proposition that freedom of thought & conscience are inherent human liberties (ie, that everyone “should be allowed”) flows directly from liberal philosophy. Liberal philosophy holds that governments exist for the people, their authority is legitimate only when they protect inherent human rights, and until they do, the people have a right & duty to reform and replace their government. So, you agree with this?
Authoritarianism doesn’t.
Cricket@lemmy.zip 1 week ago
Those are two or more separate concepts (freedom of thought vs. the government being for the people) and don’t necessarily have to go together.
Also, authoritarianism occurs in a spectrum. Most of the countries that Westerners accuse of being authoritarian are only partially so, and only in certain aspects. On the other hand, there are legitimate arguments to be made that many Western powers are also partially authoritarian. So then the argument becomes about how much authoritarianism is acceptable. I think that this is too deep of a philosophical discussion to have in an online forum. At least I wouldn’t have the patience or energy to stick with it.