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• Mac@mander.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I value privacy and believe cars shouldnt be iPhones on wheels.

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  • Sxan@piefed.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Oh. Yeah, I’m on board with that. I don’t believe it’s possible to buy cars anymore that don’t track you, unless you only buy vintage cars. My 2016 car absolutely tracks me; it’s got a built-in nav system with traffic updates. I don’t believe that, just because you don’t pay for the nav, they don’t put in the surveillance anyway.

    I get what you’re saying, though, and I agree in theory even if I believe it’s unavoidable.

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  • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But you carry a phone everywhere. Smart.

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    • Passerby6497@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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• Cris_Color@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Not the person you’re replying to, but “technology platform” as a way of referring to a car grosses me out, personally.

  Its a car. It should take me places. The technology in it, should be technology that takes me places safely, and that’s it. Calling it a technology platform frames it like a car is a consumer electronics device, and consumer electronics are generally user hostile feature bloated unrepairable nightmares 😅

  Still sounds like a pretty well made car though. I’m not surprised china has very capable manufacturers.

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  • Sxan@piefed.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah, I get that. I’m aligned, although it’s an automotive industry CEO. I suspect any industry insider uses similar terminology, and it probably doesn’t even have the same connotations we have outside. E.g. I think I remember hearing someone refer to the Mitsubishi 3000GT using the same “platform” as the Dodge Stealth way back in the mid-90’s.

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    • Cris_Color@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Platform in general really doesn’t bother me the same way that technology platform does. In a historical sense like you’re talking about that would mean it was built on shared structure, which is a good way to build a reliable car, since there’ll be more chance to have worked out the kinks in shared parts vs new bespoke ones. In this context it’s just a rebadge for marketing

      Where, to me, technology platform communicates more that the car is a vehicle (hah) for various tech widgets and gizmos that aren’t in line with it just being a car, and that that’s the real value add that lets them charge super high prices (IMO, without delivering much more actual value to the user). Perhaps I’m being overly harsh and it’s at least in part just driven (hah) by it being a ev where there are tons of different technological systems, computerized and otherwise

      But that’s how I read it 🤷‍♂️. But yeah I’m not surprised a CEO would talk about it that way, that’s where the industry has been for quite some time now, and it shows little sign of changing aside from novel projects like the Slate truck (which aside from getting from daddy bezos, looks pretty cool!)

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      • Sxan@piefed.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        No no, I think you have a good point. “Technology” does imply more - I guess, when we’re talking about EVs, I automatically consider them laptops with wheels. Long past are the days or chaining a bunch of lead-acid batteries together and controlling speed with a potentiometer. Even backup batteries have chips in them.

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  • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Sounds like…all these internet car reviewers are wankers because they never discuss reliability, they just count cup holders. I don’t give a fuck about how elegantly it is designed, will it break, and can it be fixed.

    Australia’s conclusions about these EVs are yes, and no.

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    • Cris_Color@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      While that is true and it should be discussed, it is often difficult to assess a new product’s reliability unless there’s a clear existing track record from the company

      But a company’s track record and the repairability of the car should absolutely be discussed in reviews

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    • AbidanYre@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      But that would take longer and they need to get those views now so they can move onto the next thing.

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  • CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You sound a lot like Gen x and boomers on the cell phone 🤷‍♂️

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    • paper_moon@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Get back to us when your health insurance company kicks you off your plan because your car has been reporting that you’ve been going to the bar 4 nights a week.

      Or when your wife starts getting ads when connected to your home network for strippers and strip clubs because you parked the car near a strip club 1 time.

      Or when your car starts suspiciously routing you through weird routes on maps, that take you close to the local fast food joints because Taco Bell/KFC paid them advertising money.

      “But none of that happens right now!”

      That’s not the point. The point is, it could.

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      • CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Oh right, because that happened with your computer that’s already following you for the past 15 years. I’ve met hundreds of people losing health insurance from the secret apps installed on phones and computers.

        Y’all have to invent edge cases to make this stuff sound scary. Google has had the vast majority of everyone’s movement for the past 15 years. Every day, every meter.

        Sure there are downsides that people don’t like but the vast majority of users don’t care and aren’t highly impacted.

        The reality is folks want tech in their vehicles. They want it to integrate with their phones natively.

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      • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You think Tim Apple doesn’t know how many times you jerk off or take a shit? Data privacy ended a decade ago.

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