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• z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Ugh. Okay man, the expert’s opinion doesn’t matter. You win, lol.

  Like I say, I’m not a fan of Hasan, as I find debate bros culture kind of distasteful, but the only way you can convince me that Hasan definitely abused his dog is to provide me with a contrary argument provided by someone who is an expert on dog training.

  I’ll wait dude, seriously. Just provide me with any evidence that has a shred of credibility.

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  • Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I thing called a consensus. It comes from inside.

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    • z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Look, you can find Hasan’s use of his dog as a prop for his streams distasteful. Heck, I’d agree with that sentiment.

      But saying someone inflicted animal abuse is a serious accusation that has legal ramifications should it have occurred.

      According to one account of a single expert which I provided, Hasan has not committed what I can only assume many in his field would be considered animal abuse.

      You can question his credentials, you can question his legitimacy, you can question your own society’s definition of what constitutes animal abuse. Heck, you can even push your lawmakers to change the definition of what constitutes animal abuse.

      But as it stands currently, it does not appear, from my admittedly very limited point of view, that Hasan did not commit animal abuse as it is currently defined in the laws surrounding it in the United States.

      Look, I am even sympathetic to your argument, but when an expert in dog behavior is telling me this is acceptable forms of disciplining your dog, and I perceive that they are presenting their expertise in good faith, then I simply value their definitively expert opinion over the emotional reactions of overly hyped fans of one side or another in what I consider to be a toxic soup of debate bros accolades.

      If you at least cannot see why I might think that, then I don’t know what else I can say to you other than I’m sorry that you feel that way.

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      • Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Youre delving in too deep of water for me to address it here. I appreciate your point of view but we, as randoms on the internet, do not have to report to have nuanced discussion the law behind this.

        The law is very limited in what it has the ability to litigate and honestly, our laws reflect this. We would also have to discuss what constitutes expert testimony. Expert opinion is not science its just relaying heuristics.

        I’ve been consistent in my assessment from the get go. If you want nuance and not just moral oral we would need to start with mutual respect. That doesnt just materialize because we exchanged messages online.

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