Comment on Brexit: Labour will seek re-write of deal, Starmer says

• SonnyVabitch@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Pragmatism ≠ sellout.

  Papa Smurf never compromised on his ideals, and never got anywhere near the position to put them into practice. Blair delivered a lot for the working class from the back seat of a limo.

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  • HumanPenguin@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    He also allowed the overton window to move to the point the left no longer exists.

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    • Hyperreality@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      One of the things companies like Cambridge Analytica do, is target voters unlikely to change who they vote for, and convince them to not bother voting at all.

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      • HumanPenguin@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Agreed. But that in no way changes the facts. I unlike many did not claim there is no difference. Only that the move to the right allowed the opposition to move even further to the right.

        As I say. I am old enough to remember thatcher run for PM. (Was young). She had to present privatisation of national resources with care. Starting with one that allowed more competition with privatisation. IE the most logical. And still it was a fight for the party to make it seem practical.

        But in corbyns time ( he was not perfect not claiming he was. Pointing out the change in attitude)

        The idea of nationalising anything takes that same fight, and care. Society has spent 40+ years with no party arguing the value of left of center ideas. Judt less right of center. So we are now faced with an overton window where voters consider anything left to be extream.

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  • merridew@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Corbyn hated the EU, and demanded Article 50 be invoked the day after the referendum. Let’s not forget that.

    labourlist.org/…/corbyn-article-50-has-to-be-invo…

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  • RobotToaster@mander.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Blair delivered a lot for the working class from the back seat of a limo.

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  • Chariotwheel@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Papa Smurf? As in: entirely blue with a red hat?

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  • Debeli_Perun@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    jacobin.com/…/tony-blair-working-class-new-labour…

    This article tells a slightly different story.

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    • SonnyVabitch@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Does it? This article starts with several examples admitting that

      Blair delivered a lot for the working class from the back seat of a limo.

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      • Debeli_Perun@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Maybe read the whole article.

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