Why is Labour not even presenting the option to rejoin? As a foreigner, it just sounds like they’re taking a Conservative-lite position, “We’re for the same things they’re for, but we’ll do them better!” Or is rejoining the EU just political suicide at the moment, what’s done is done?
Brexit: Labour will seek re-write of deal, Starmer says
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66839501
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paddirn@lemmy.world 1 year ago
13esq@lemmy.world 1 year ago
it just sounds like they’re taking a Conservative-lite position,
Nail on head. Labour care more about courting shy Tories than they do about the left wing electorate. I understand statistically why they have to do that but it doesn’t make it suck any less to be a fan of left wing politics in the UK and have your two choices be Tory or Tory-lite.
HeartyBeast@kbin.social 1 year ago
Why is Labour not even presenting the option to rejoin?
I'm a remainer, I marched. The answer is that to do so, would be to present the Tories with the one slim chance they have of winning.I might not like it, you migt not like it, but it's true.
thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe 1 year ago
Yep, the vast majority of press in the UK are unequivocally still for Brexit for various reasons, and pro Tory. Starmer is playing the “give them nothing to get hold of” game.
Doubt it will work when they managed to turn eating a bacon sarnie into a drama, they’ll make something up.
stevecrox@kbin.social 1 year ago
Because the Tories have upset everyone internationally, so it isn't really an option. If you've been paying attention the EU has been playing a bunch of jobsworth type games with the UK.
Notice how he will do this in 2025, when the current agreement is up for renewel rather than immediately.
You also have the fact rejoin isn't winding the clock back to 2016, firstly we would loose all of our opt outs, things like the rebate, the euro, etc.. I don't think the reality would actually be popular.
Secondly the UK blocked a number of things like the EU Army (personally I think its a terrible idea, countries that don't spend enough looking to conbine to "save" money) so it isn't the same EU.
Lastly see above mentioned jobsworth behaviour, I would not be surprised if the EU demanded the UK to complete all the paperwork and drag the process out as long as possible (it takes 10 years for most countries).
merridew@feddit.uk 1 year ago
The UK joining the Common Market was a Thatcher thing. Old school lefties opposed it at the time because it put limits on state aid, and weakened the positions of the unions.
mannycalavera@feddit.uk 1 year ago
What Labour supporters in the South and guardian readers don’t like to admit it’s that theres are Labour voters in the North that voted passionately for Brexit. Not going full send on Brexit gifts the Tories a majority in any election as Corbyn proved whilst he was beaten by a literal children’s entertainer Boris Johnson.
Starmer wants to win the next election, and so he should. But he can’t afford to even be seen as trying to rejoin. Because Labour voters in the (predominately) North will vote Tory again. If he wants to win… and win big… he’s calculated that he needs to appeal to Tony Blair loving Labour voters in the South and Brexitier Labour voters in the North.
Or is rejoining the EU just political suicide at the moment
Yeah pretty much. Plus no-one is going to vote Lib Dems that might offer a rejoin choice because we’re to upset at them about tuition fees apparently 🤷.
fruitleatherpostcard@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Fuck you Keir. Fuckin grow a set. Support the workers. Rejoin the EU full-throatedly. Expose the shitstains that organised and made money from Brexit.
HeartyBeast@kbin.social 1 year ago
Rejoin the EU full-throatedly.
He has to - you know, get elected first.
fruitleatherpostcard@lemm.ee 1 year ago
He has to come out with some strong policies and I would argue that being totally and brutally pro-Europe is the way to go. No wishy-washy nonsense.
mannycalavera@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Rejoin the EU full-throatedly.
🤣 never heard that before. Are you suggesting he gets down on his knees and… gags for our membership back?
fruitleatherpostcard@lemm.ee 1 year ago
No I mean ROARING for all the Brexiteers to STFU and do all he can to rejoin.
Tatters@feddit.uk 1 year ago
And take a huge risk of not winning the General Election.
merridew@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Gosh, but Jeremy Corbyn said the EU were the bad guys and we should leave asap to improve things for British workers.
anteaters@feddit.de 1 year ago
AAAAAaaaaaaAAAaaaaaaaaargh
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BluesF@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Vehement agreement from the UK
Silinde@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Wow, Starmer actually managed to decide on a manifesto pledge? I was starting to think that indecisive git was incapable of actually standing behind a statement. At this rate, we might know where Labour stand on a whole three issues by the time the general election is called.
VioletTeacup@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Don’t hold your breath. He didn’t actually say anything about his rewrite other than “better”.
cypher_greyhat@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That ship sailed years ago.
bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
The TCA has a review clause for 2026
idiomaddict@feddit.de 1 year ago
Jesus Christ, has it been seven years?
Bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Are these the people that promised to have a better deal or leave then proceed to leave because the EU laughed them out of the room?
purplepudding@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Nah, that was the blue team - this is the red team 😅
Debeli_Perun@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Nah, this is a little less blue team. The guy who won’t support striking workers is not a red.
Mrkawfee@feddit.uk 1 year ago
More cherry picking, this time red flavoured.
autotldr@lemmings.world [bot] 1 year ago
This is the best summary I could come up with:
It remains unclear, however, if Brussels would be open to making major changes to the agreement, which was agreed by former Conservative Prime Minister Boris Johnson in 2021.
Sir Keir has repeatedly said he would not seek to rejoin the EU if his party comes to power, promising to “make Brexit work”.
His party has consistently held double-digit leads in the political opinion polls, with a general election expected to take place some time in 2024.
That’s not a question of going back in, but I refuse to accept that we can’t make it work," he said, adding that he was thinking about “future generations”.
He also travelled to the Hague, the Netherlands, last week to meet with the EU’s law enforcement agency Europol, seeking a deal to try and stop smuggling gangs bringing people across the channel in small boats.
That led to accusations by Prime Minister Rishi Sunak and Home Secretary Suella Braverman that his party was planning to let the UK become a “dumping ground” for 100,000 migrants from the continent each year, claims he said were “complete garbage”.
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athos77@kbin.social 1 year ago
jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
The EU would be happy if the UK signed something like Norway and Switzerland have. Of course that’s pretty much what the UK had before Brexit but without the right to vote on the rules, but that’s the UK’s problem.
Treczoks@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Even worse: I see no reason for the EU to even think about starting a re-negotiation. It makes no sense for them.