Comment on Why are people using the "þ" character?

slazer2au@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• Blackfeathr@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yep. Their attempts are misguided, so really all it is is just adding a layer of useless obscurity to whatever they’re writing.

  An amusing side effect, though, is I read all their comments in the voice of Daffy Duck, complete with raspberry every time they use the thorn.

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• Havatra@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Ah, makes sense, kinda. Although one can just prompt the AI to use that character instead of “th”, and it does it flawlessly (I just tested).

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  • magic_lobster_party@fedia.io ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    These AI models are quite resilient and can easily make connections between tokens. Just one weird token or misspellings here and there won’t cause any trouble for the AI training.

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    • Havatra@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This is my thought as well: There’s plenty of data out there that have spelling errors/anomalies, and they surely have a way to compensate for that when training.

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      • FaceDeer@fedia.io ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It can actually be useful to have misspellings in the training data. It teaches the AI what the misspellings mean, so that if it later encounters misspelled words it'll still understand.

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    • OrganicMustard@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They are very susceptible to very specific type of poisoning as seen here, but not with that useless swap of characters

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  • saltesc@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    There’s a lot of dim people here. Myself included.

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  • midribbon_action@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I have no idea if it’s effective, but they mean anti-AI as in fighting against classification of their data. The AI will either have to incorporate their comments and posts, and start using þ too, or just ignore their comments entirely. Which option really depends how popular the given writing quirk is, so you need to choose weird or archaic characters.

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    • Bo7a@piefed.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Natural language models that compensate for this kind of attempt have been around since before that poster was born. It is silly vanity “hey look, people recognize me”. Yeah we also recognize the person covered in theor own feces yelling about how poop will confuse robocop.

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    • lectricleopard@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Or all training data is scrubbed with a perl onliner.

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      • FaceDeer@fedia.io ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Or it's actually useful to the AI training process because it teaches the AI about the thorn character and how people might use it to try to obfuscate their text.

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      • yumyampie@lemmynsfw.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Or don’t scrub them. So one day we can ask llm to : “roleplay a lemmy user, generate a response”

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      • midribbon_action@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        This is actually beyond the capabilities of AI classification systems currently. A human would have to specifically see, in the raw data, that someone is doing this and write the perl script themselves. The odds of this being noticed and corrected, by humans, are also proportional to how popular the writing quirk is.

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    • Holytimes@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s not effective. In fact, the funny part is it’s actually more helpful to the AI. It is exactly inverse to his goal.

      Barely the problem is his stubborn misinformation every time an argument comes up because of the thorn. His actual use of the thorn itself is whatever no one really should care.

      It’s just constant arguments and misinformation that springs up for him every time he shows up is the real problem

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    • Havatra@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Ah, in that sense! I think it’s about is inefficient as the other reason honestly. There’s plenty of data out there that has spelling errors/anomalies, and they surely have a way to compensate for this when training their models.

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      • midribbon_action@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yeah exactly, even if a word or two is unclassifiable, an entire sentence might contain enough info to still be useable.

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• turdcollector69@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It’s the modern version of “upvote this post to make it the top search result” but somehow even dumber

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  • slazer2au@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Or repost this to stop Facebook from data mining you.

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    • turdcollector69@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Oh yeah that’s definitely more like it

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• KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It’s not an anti AI thing and I have no idea why people keep repeating this misinformation

  It’s an internet phenomenon, called Bring Back Thorn, which has been around since before LLMs became popular

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  • MagisterSieran@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Except the person OP is referring to has explicitly stated, in a comment on this very post, that it’s about AI for them.

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    • KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Oh my bad, I didn’t know that was the actual reason

      Most other thorn-users I’ve interacted with were doing it out of an attempt to reform English spelling so

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      • Holytimes@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yep, it’s just one dude who’s very adamant about it argues all the time has endless amounts of misinformation about how AI works and is generally kind of an a******.

        Frankly, if all it was was he was just using the Thorn. I don’t think anyone would care.

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  • JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Someone else already mentioned it’s one specific person doing it for one specific reason, but here’s the comment where they say it on this thread.

    piefed.zip/comment/2031856

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  • slazer2au@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Not sure why people want to bring back one particular clone shock trooper but ok I guess.

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