I drive a tesla
Self own, tbh.
Comment on Tesla reintroduces 'Mad Max' Full Self-Driving mode that breaks speed limits
SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 1 day ago
I drive a Tesla. I live in Connecticut, speed limits are set very low and are ignored by just about everybody Including police, as long as you’re not driving recklessly.
The problem with the latest FSD versions is they take precise speed control out of the driver’s hands. In previous versions, you could manually set a maximum speed. Now you cannot, you only pick one of these driving profiles.
So for example if I’m driving on a 55 mph highway, and all the other cars are doing 75 mph, I have to pick the ‘Hurry’ profile which also hangs out in the left lane and makes a lot of lane changes and faster acceleration/braking. I would much rather drive standard style but with higher speed, but that isn’t an option.
mriormro@lemmy.zip 21 hours ago
Anarki_@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
Spyware on wheels won’t let me break the law
SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 19 hours ago
You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. I’m not saying this as an insult, I am simply stating a fact that you are completely and totally mistaken.
Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 hours ago
You are driving a nazi car.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
Do you live in an alternate reality where Tesla employees didn’t get caught sharing camera footage from inside peoples garages and stuff just because they thought it was funny?
SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 3 hours ago
That was a very early version of their system, once that happened they put strong controls in place for the storage of video and it’s now very easy to control what if any video and audio the car reports back to Tesla.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Why use FSD though if you would still need to pay attention and be ready to take over the car? I understand cruise control to a degree but the other stuff I dont see how its helpful to rely on a computer that can malfunction at any moment.
SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 19 hours ago
Finally an actual intelligent question that isn’t just ‘fuck Tesla’.
FSD has gotten very very good. On the highway, it is a better driver than I am. I have had my car for a few years, I have driven many hundreds of hours on FSD, and it has only really tried to do something stupid twice, both of them some time ago on much older software. I don’t even have the most recent software because my car is computer is generation 3, I’m running the last one that was available for HW3 (version 12) but I have a lot of time on it so I am quite familiar with what it can and cannot do.
As such, I gain trust by experience, by watching it perform. So I know which situations I can trust it to do the right thing, and which situations I cannot.That means in one of the situations where I trust it, such as on the highway, I can turn it on and leave it the task of staying in lane and maintaining speed. I can focus my attention then on maintaining overall situational awareness of the world around the car. Even if I am doing something else like eating a sandwich, which would otherwise distract my attention and make me a less safe driver, I feel the result is overall more safe because the computer is watching 360° around the car and I am maintaining situational awareness of what I can see. I believe this creates the most safe situation.
Using highway driving like that, there have been a couple situations where the car reacted to something that I hadn’t even seen yet and potentially avoided an accident. For example, there was one situation where a very reckless driver was coming up from behind in the right lane and merging into our lane. I didn’t see it because I was looking forward, Tesla did because the cameras are looking everywhere. Tesla’s reaction was to slow down and change lanes away from the guy, which was the correct response. The car started reacting before I was even aware of the threat, and because the car had already cleared the space it was changing lanes into, it was able to start that lane change faster than I could because I would have looked over the shoulder first…
There have also been a few situations where I reacted to something the car was not reacting to yet and while it would not have resulted in an accident, it did increase safety by my intervention. Basic example is I am in the far right lane, there is an entry exit lane to the right which is ending and I know it is ending but the car doesn’t necessarily. I know the car slightly ahead and to the right of me is going to have to merge into my lane, so I manually slow down the car to give him a space to come in whereas Tesla would have just maintained speed and he would have had to slow down and go behind me.
I would strongly encourage you to disregard a lot of The crap you read in the news and online, much of it written by people who intrinsically hate Elon and anything he has ever touched, and go test drive the car. I’m not saying go buy the car, I’m saying go have the experience of actually using FSD so you can see first hand exactly what it is like.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 15 hours ago
I simply dont see a benefit to the technology in my own life. I’m willing to hear others give their experience though. I think for me, whether its a better driver or not is secondary to accountability. I’m accountable for my mistakes, whereas a co pany like tesla has many many reasons why they should avoid accountability.
If FSD were a state or federal government initiative with the goal of improving society, I think that would go a long way. At least something like that.
SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 3 hours ago
A fair position.
In the current system, you are still responsible for the vehicle, including a responsibility to take over if/before it does something stupid.
So if you frame it as ‘driving is my responsibility, and this is a tool that helps me meet that responsibility’ I think it’s a positive.A LOT of people will, and do, and have, looked at FSD (and its predecessor systems like Autopilot) as ‘I don’t want/need to drive, I’ll let the machine do it (even if the machine isn’t safe)’. These are the kind of people who hung weights on their steering wheel so the car thought they were paying attention while they dozed off (that’s why the cabin cameras became a thing).
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 day ago
All these L2 systems (not just Tesla’s) really do lower the cognitive load and makes things easier, even if you still have to pay attention.
Remember when you were learning to drive and making sure you did everything right took up a lot of your cognitive ability while driving, maybe you couldn’t even carry on a conversation and drive, and as you got more experienced, a lot of it became second nature, and the load on driving became less?
Well that load is still there, it’s just less, and this can lower it further even if you are paying attention.
MeThisGuy@feddit.nl 1 day ago
so ppl can get even more reliant on technology and would be downright dangerous behind the wheel of an older vehicle? awesome…
Hominine@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Recently read a book on the Nudge effect and it mentioned it taking upwards of 40 seconds for a human to re-establish control of an automated vehicle. Is it the point to not have to worry about traffic and your place in it when using automated driving? I guess not breaking the law isn’t quite decadent enough for Tesla owners.
poopkins@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
I think there’s a distinction to make between driver assistance technologies and how drivers become reliant on automation. Because otherwise, should we not have automatic transmission, either?
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 19 hours ago
I’m saying the problem is that it lowers the mental load, which lowers reaction timing. You might be able to counter that by paying attention as much with FSD as without, but then you are gaining nothing but extra risk.
Is there a reason you want to reduce the mental load as much as possible? If I were driving 4+hours per day its possible I might be more likely to agree with you but thats just a guess.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Lowering the mental load of having to maintain speed and lane does not mean you’re not paying attention and able to take over.
It means you have more time to be aware of what’s going on around you, while still paying attention to what it’s handling for you.
Saying you gain nothing but risk because you still pay attention just isn’t true. There is still a gain, even with any added risk.
Stop and go traffic, and long drives it really helps.
TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 20 hours ago
There are easier ways to get yourself killed and they don’t also put families in harm’s way
SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 19 hours ago
FSD does not mean push the button and take a nap. I am still attentive to the road while it is in use. I believe it actually makes me a safer driver, because I can focus more attention on maintaining overall situational awareness of the world around the car, without needing to focus on the task of staying in lane and maintaining the correct speed.
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
I got a tesla and I don’t fucking trust that shit to not slam me in to a barrier
Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 21 hours ago
Or… you could just drive yourself.