Comment on Climate goals go up in smoke as US datacenters turn to coal

• supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  The people can stay, it is the AI that has to go.

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  • masterspace@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    From a long term environmental standpoint that’s not at all clear cut.

    We objectively have too many humans in our biosphere for our current rate of resource consumption and we should significantly drop the overall number.

    However, our current standard of living is mostly the result of a shared economy where we pool and share our resources and have a shit ton of people working.

    Right now neural network algorithms consume a lot of processing power and resources, but they also solve whole new classes of automations problems that computers haven’t been able to solve before.

    If we actually want to maintain our standard of living and reduce the population size, we may very well need AI automation utilities. They can keep scaling down in size and power consumption in the way that a real human can’t.

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    • Soggy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Stop this ecofascist shit.

      We can support the current population, it’s just not profitable or popular to do so.

      Birthrates naturally level off as societies develop. Many are already seeing negative growth.

      Our current standard of living is mostly predicated on offshoring the suffering and waste to the global South, but even that could be comfortably leveled off if we weren’t living under Capitalism.

      We don’t need large AI farms, we need empathy. The techbros will not save us.

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      • masterspace@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        We can support the current population, it’s just not profitable or popular to do so.

        If your solution ignores the site of human psychology it’s not a solution, it’s a quixotic quest.

        Our current standard of living is mostly predicated on offshoring the suffering and waste to the global South, but even that could be comfortably leveled off if we weren’t living under Capitalism.

        Yes, and as their standard of living rises to meet ours, the whole becomes increasingly unsustainable without technological advances.

        We don’t need large AI farms, we need empathy. The techbros will not save us.

        There is a more plausible path for neural networks to be involved in climate change solutions then their is for you to replace capitalism.

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      • Miaou@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        They’re the ecofascist yet you’re the one saying “you’ll shit in the mud and you’ll like it”.

        Birthrates lower partially thanks to higher standard of living, which are not sustainable for 7+ billions people.

        Not that I think LLMs are going to help in any way, but every time someone mentions overpopulation, all the counter arguments I see are loads of anti system rhetoric with nothing to show for it.

        You think soviet Russia was/current China is sustainable?

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    • aislopmukbang@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      So we objectively have too large of a population, but not if we change our standard of living and you want AI to solve this problem not by reducing our standard of living but instead by reducing the population?

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    • altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      If we actually want to maintain our standard of living and reduce the population size, we may very well need AI automation utilities. They can keep scaling down in size and power consumption in the way that a real human can’t.

      Theoreticisizing LLM’s usefulness and resourcefulness doesn’t help you there. For now they are rather useless embaracingly inefficient resoucehogs existing purely because of the bubble. It’s a gamble at best, or a waste of resources and a degradation of human workforce at worst.

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      • masterspace@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        AI is not just LLMs, and it’s already revolutionized biotechnical engineering through things like alpha fold. Like I said, “AI”, as in neural network algorithms of which LLMs are just one example, are literally solving entirely new classes of problems that we simply could not solve before.

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    • umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      lol like we actually share

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  • balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Nah people are terrible

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    • regedit@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Why are you still here?

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      • balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Your image didn’t display for me

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      • Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Ahhhh everyone should listen to me!!!

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• PattyMcB@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  The ones advocating for corporate greed and AI are the same ones talking about a birth rate crisis. I guess they just want more proles to slave for them and damn the ones who die young in the process.

  Fuck this timeline

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  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    i see some state universities around saying the same, thing trying to blame the low enrollment crisis, to low birth rates, and not because COVID exposed the low job prospects and HCOL of post graduation.

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• hairyfeet@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Are you one of the too many people?

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  • SkaraBrae@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Lol. I thought the “crash can’t come soon enough” line was hilariously close to Dwight’s line. It was a joke. I guess everybody missed it. Fair enough, too, it was a joke from a comedy program… Why would anyone think that was supposed to be funny.

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