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Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Ok, so why do they utilize these tools and the left cries about it.

I’ve said this for a while. The hate of AI on lemmy was encouraged by Astro turfing methods. This way leftist who usually are at the cutting edge of things instead knee cap themselves on a technology that acts as a force multiplayer. They will use this and advance. We will bitch and moan. The end result will be that they gain more and we don’t. So you can be upset and you can cry and hate this or me for pointing this out. That will never change the outcome. Your feelings don’t matter. What matters is outcomes right now. It matters what will get people to vote when it’s time. if you concede tools that help you reach eyes and ears of voters, be ready for consequences.

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simplejack@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Lemmy’s daily active user numbers are not big enough to be a worthwhile astroturfing target.

The real reason people shit on AI here is because it’s a platform with a bias toward people who are fairly tech savvy and or work in a technology field. Which is why every 3rd technology post here is a Linux circle jerk.

A lot of users here understand the technologies and are working in spaces where they’re being asking to “implement AI” by idiots who don’t understand the tech and aren’t trying to solve a user problem.

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- otacon239@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I have seen this recently pretty often that people seem to believe Lemmy is an equal representation of the real world. It’s probably one of the more niche media platforms, though. I come here because I enjoy every third Linux post. I also know that I have to go out of my way to find someone who has even heard of Steam, let alone a Steam Deck.
  
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- Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  It 100% is perfect for astroturf. It’s the perfect size for it. Large population need more money and effort to afford astroturf. Lemmy is the right amount then you let the Lemmy users generate more content for you
  
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Eldritch@piefed.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Nah, it wasn't astroturfed. Current gen AI is little more than automated theft ATM. A lot of artists had their work stolen with no compensation. And now have an even tougher time ahead, competing with the thieves than they already had before. A lot of the angst and hate has been knee-jerk and lacking nuance. Doing as much to alienate people from their cause as bring them to it. But it's real.

What's equally absurd however. Are those that naively think we could use AI against those already using it. They're building farms that consume more power than major cities. With more compute than even large groups of average individuals will ever be able to muster. It doesn't matter how much of a force multiplier it is. 10x return on a force of 10,000,000 is exponentially more return than a 500x increase on a force of 100.

Ai may just be a tool, but it's not going to turn the tide in favor of the left.

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- Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yea of course, that’s what all the headlines were shared kept trying us everyday multiple times a day. They told us they would take our jobs, they’d assault our women and children, they threatened our way of life. Familiar
  
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  - athatet@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    ‘AI is an immigrant’ is a wild fucking take.
    
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    Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Is it? Can you show me that the AI headlines and hype on Lemmy is different from NY Post website’s approach to immigrants?
    
    Same coin different faces
    
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SparroHawc@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
They utilize these tools because they have no morals. They are willing to lie and cheat their way into whatever they want.

The left does not have that advantage. We don’t want to lie, we don’t want to cheat, we want the liars and cheaters to be removed from power. Lying harder isn’t going to work for us because unlike the right, we will call out our own for it.

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- Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yea sure the left are morally superior obviously. Not weak and ineffective. Morally superior
  
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  - CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Same thing unfortunately. No honor in a real fight.
    
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    Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Right which is my point. But why does the left fall on their own sword. They have all the ability. If we truly believe the left have more people, that Gerry mandering is needed because most people lean left. Then it should be a no brainer than the left needs to activate a fire under each other to overwhelm spaces. But we do the opposite. We retreat. The only conclusions I can think of when I read between the lines is that we were targeted by right wing astro turfing as much as the right was. Or we’re just not smart people as a whole and it’s actually maybe a good thing we’re being backed into our corners
    
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veeesix@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I think it’s pretty obvious why people would be upset about a propaganda machine being used by a government to demonize its political enemies and voting base? The Iraq War started over less false pretenses, and look how that rolled out. The damage produced by this lying machine will be unimaginable.

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- Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Cool, it’s super important to be aware how getting punched will affect you while getting punched. Just don’t punch back because that isn’t what we’re about. In the end we win somehow. Maybe they’ll break their first on our head I dunno.
  
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  - athatet@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    How much water and electricity does it take to punch someone?
    
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    Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Depends if you’re in their labor camp or not. There’s a time and place for everything. Why be concerned about the environment if creates an environment where the people who will outpace you will destroy it anyways. You’re not saving anything by letting them seize power
    
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latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Yeah, this person’s right! We should start making inflammatory AI videos, too! Dump that whole tanker ship in the fire, fuck it!

No. I am sorry, but no. The hate on Lemmy is not against AI as a technology, it is against how it is being used, how it is being peddled, how it is being shoved down everyone’s throats, and how much damage it’s doing to our environment.

And, to your point about feelings not mattering, from what I’ve seen, most people (including myself) are exhausted! We are sureounded by people losing their shit left and right, bigotry, racism, hate in general are mainstream, Fascism is out, about, and in power, and it looks like we’re all forgetting that the planet is literally burning up again.

We are tired. Most of us have already been through enough shit as it is, we would want nothing more than to see the end of this string of “once in a lifetime” disasters, yet we understand that the easy way out means we’ll end up becoming exactly what’s ruining our lives right now. This isn’t just about winning, HOW we win is equally important, if not more so. Because that will set the tone for what would follow.

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- LemmyThinkAboutIt@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  It’s absolutely exhausting knowing how much potential humans have to do great things, but having to watch humanity choose to destroy themselves instead.
  
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  - latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    In all ways imaginable, especially emotional. I’ve seen some sad shit in my life, but this overall bend toward mindless self-annihilation our species seems to have is by far the saddest…
    
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- Makeitstop@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Not to mention that the bullshit in AI videos made by the left would absolutely get called out in every propaganda outfit on the right. It would just give them more ammo (without the usual lies).
  
  But even more important, it will grant legitimacy to everyone who responds to damning video evidence by claiming it was AI. We don’t need to make shit up, the reality is already horrifying. All AI will do is make it harder for people to believe their own eyes.
  
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- Xaphanos@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Enslaved with honor is still enslaved.
  
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  - latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Oh, I said nothing about honour! There’s being nice, and there’s being fair. I’m more for being fair than being nice, and as I see it, it’s fair to hit back. The difference is in the nuance of how I hit back. Why eliminate when immobilise would suffice, y’know?
    
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natecox@programming.dev ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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- Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  They 100% are. There’s no doubt
  
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NocturnalEngineer@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
We gain by generating counter-slop? Wtf are you on about.

Anybody with a half a braincell can see the detrimental impact AI is having on social media & internet content generally. It’s not astro turfing, it’s just constantly dealing with generated nonsense that’s causing the hate.

People who are more susceptible to manipulation, which unfortunately seems to be right-leaning folks, seem to fall victim into believing & spreading it the most. They rarely do any form of fact checking.

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- Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Everybody is susceptible to manipulation. Are you crazy. Who do you think you are. It’s basic shit here. You need to push a singular message through repetition and people adopt it every time. The left are so ignorant to basics which is why everybody and their grandma knows about cat litter boxes rather than the arguments against it. This era of leftist are absolutely outclassed by a mile.
  
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