Comment on Apple has REMOVED the ICEBlock app from the App Store due to “objectionable content.”

the_q@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

• LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Oh we are way passed the point where “voting with your dollar” means literally anything. These billionaires are making more money than they ever have in human history. They have literally turned all of society across large swaths of the world into a gigantic personal capital generator. It makes literally not a single difference if all of us here boycotted them or not. It’s meaningless.

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  • the_q@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Tell that to Disney.

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    • Soup@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      A big problem is that people need smartphones for so much of modern life. You can stop watching Disney and your life won’t meaningfully change but it’s really hard to avoid evil smartphone companies. Part of me wants to switch from Apple but what would I go to? Samsung who’s just as bad about right to repair? Google who’s Google? I’m not saying it’s impossible but I’m not going to say that the choice is as easy as cancelling a streaming service.

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      • the_q@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Yeah this is generally the take I hear the most. The smartphone is presented as a necessity and for a lot of people that may be true, but what it really is is a tool for capitalism. It spies on you, gives you fomo, serves you ads, gives access to all kinds of addictive content… oh and work apps!

        It’s like AI, shoved down our throats until people think it’s needed. It’s not.

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      • 0x0@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        A big problem is that people need smartphones for so much of modern life.

        Do you though? They’re convenient, for sure, but you can also use a dumbphone and a laptop.

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      • SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Fairphone. Right to repair, plus good custom ROM and linux on mobile support.

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    • nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      they would have been perfectly fine it was simply that the optics were bad enough to warrant a response

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      • jfrnz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Why do they care about the optics? $$$

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    • LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Do you really think this situation is comparable in any way to Jimmy Kimmel? I really don’t. Even if it were, nowhere near that many Apple customers care whether or not the app that targets fascist militias is on the app store or not.

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      • the_q@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        I do think it’s comparable. All of this is about money. Americans are funding all of this crap with the, albeit controlled, choices we make with our money. Our taxes are funding genocides and coups and war and destruction; our purchasing habits are funding the decline of our planet and our social structures and our sanity.

        You’re right though, consumers will likely never change in large enough quantities to make a real difference. People are already resubbing to Hulu so…

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  • donalonzo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Every revolution famously begins with everyone giving up completely.

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    • LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Can you show me where I said to do nothing? Or is boycotting the only form of collective action you’re aware of?

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      • donalonzo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        No, but great idea gatekeeping collective action. We surely need less of it.

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  • jaemo@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    …and it happened in a vacuum, just all by itself.

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  • ILoveUnions@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It makes literally not a single difference if all of us here boycotted them or not. It’s meaningless.

    Just lemmy users? Sure, but you don’t stop with just lemmy users.

    These billionaires are making more money than they ever have in human history

    Honest to god do you think that money magically appears in their pocket. We can still claw it back. Unionize, boycott, collective action is our strongest pressure against them and IT DOES WORK.

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    • 0x0@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      collective action is our strongest pressure against them

      Which is why governments fight so much to make it hard.
      In my neck of the woods it’s not cool to unionize and there’s no home owners’ association, people only rally for their favorite sports team but don’t bother voting.

      I guess we get what we deserve.

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    • LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I agree that collective action is our strongest pressure against them and it does work.

      I do not think a boycott itself is likely to reverse Apple’s removal of the app. I also think it makes more sense for the app to become available from a web browser, or some other avenue that circumvents the need for Apple’s approval in the first place.

      I also believe that collective action in this circumstance is better spent on ICE itself, which would be more effective (its the reason the US government wants Apple to remove the app in the first place) and more direct to fascist power.

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  • drmoose@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Defeatist subservient take

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    • NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Every time I hear people talk like that I begin to think they dont understand basic microeconomics.

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    • LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Yes, as opposed to spending money at another capitalist institution that will inevitably do the same thing, which is somehow not a subservient take.

      There are a lot of other ways to apply pressure besides boycotts. I dont think a boycott would ever work against Apple over this.

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      • drmoose@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        ah good ol Cynicism. Might as well find yourself a giant pot to live in while they’re still available!

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  • ThunderQueen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Im sure thats why disney quickly reversed gear with cancelling kimmel after loosing 3.8B overnight

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