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• Blisterexe@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I think that kinda weird and bad statement from the ladybird lead makes way more sense when you realize that his first language is german.

  German, like other gendered languages, uses the male gender for an unknown person, using a genderless pronoun like “they” in german is a deliberate political stance that would prompt debate and is unusual and, frankly, weird.

  Given that he apologized and changed it to they later, and no other incident of the sort happened since, I personally am willing to give him the benifit of the doubt.

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  • Quill7513@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    i take less issue with him using gendered pronouns by default than i do with him being overly dismissive of someone trying to adjust the language to be more inclusive.

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    • 4am@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Just remember that from his perspective, you are arguing against grammatical rules that are at the core of his communication experience due to his first language being German.‘so perhaps his initial reaction was confusion because he didn’t understand the angle - he thought he was being inclusive? Maybe?

      I dunno I’m probably playin devil’s advocate without all the information here; I’ve just been resisting making jokes connecting grammatical pedantry to Germany the whole time.

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      • Blisterexe@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        Pretty much yeah, he thought he was already being inclusive, and I don’t blame him for doubling down initially given how awful that github thread was

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      • SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        It’s actually a very contentious grammatical issue in Germany from what I have been told by a German friend. That there is definitely a contingency of people pushing for more gender neutral language and a large amount of pushback from those who think the entire idea is absurd because of how gendered the language is.

        I can see a bit of both sides of the argument. It’s important to make people feel welcomed and not like being a male is the default for everything. On the other hand, language evolves often very slowly and you can’t just force people to change the language entirely overnight. It does sound like much of the pushback is less political in nature and more grammatical as adding neutral phrases to a gendered language becomes quickly a complex task with complex new words. However, some of the pushback is also political in nature, so it’s hard to gauge whether the Ladybird situation was truly political or more grammatical at it’s core.

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  • avidamoeba@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You might be right.

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• kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Is it surprising to anyone?

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• sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  They doubled down and showed their true colors. AFAIK they never tried to improve the situation after that.

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