Newsom having a bromance with a dead transphobe is more reason for me to sit 2028 out if it ends up being him.
Comment on We must not posthumously sanitize Charlie Kirk's hateful life
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
I think the author is missing the point. I know almost nothing about Kirk, I only heard about him an hour or so after the shooting when my coworkers brought it up, and I think I’m part of the majority, at least of people who disagree with him.
Here’s the point:
- Kirk was shot under a tent that said “prove me wrong,” directly asking for open debate
- Everyone and their dog is condemning the violence, so merely condemning violence won’t get noticed
- Gavin Newsom seems to be angling for a presidential run, so he needs to be seen as reasonable to distance himself from Trump
It’s the right political move, and most of those who read his message won’t look too closely into Kirk anyway. He needs to communicate order and tolerance right now to keep his presidential bid alive.
I’m not a fan of Kirk or Newsom, I’m merely looking at this as a strategic move, and it seems to be the right one IMO.
QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Don’t sit it out, join me in voting for a third party you actually believe in. Chances are, you don’t live in a state that’s going to determine the election anyway, so you might as well vote your conscience.
QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Bro I’m not voting for Jill Stein even if she actually did have a chance
Also I live in NC, but at this point, I’m actively wondering if JD Vance is a better human being than Gavin Newsom.
That is NOT me complimenting the Couch Fucker. That’s just how terrible of a human being Gavin is.
At this point I’d only vote for Gavin if he had a damn good VP or if it really is going to be Trump 2028. He continously proves that he just wants to to be Blue Trump, minus the blue part. Calling for Charlie Kirk’s work to be “Continued” is the last fucking straw. Between him attacking transpeople and vetoing any legislation to the Left of “Hunt The Homeless For Sport”
Gavin is a complete monster who is Democrat in name only.
I condemned the “But Kamela’s somehow worse for Palestine than Trump!” crowd, but Kamela was at least a Democrat. Newsom clearly just pretended to be (D) to get elected in California.
I actively CHALLENGE anyone reading this to show me any evidence of Newsom doing a good deed while in office.
sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 2 days ago
I can’t stand Newsom, but he’s way, way the fuck better than JD Vance. That shouldn’t even be a debate. Like at all. But if can’t handle voting for the president, just skip that vote and vote on all the down ballot stuff. It’s often more important. Also, if you’re in a state like mine where the general isn’t close, it makes no difference voting for the president. Everyone knows which way my state goes. Either way, make damn sure you vote in the primary. I’m so fucking tired of people who don’t vote in the primary bitching about the shitty choices when the general election comes around.
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Not the commenter, but I do live in a swing state and it would be hard to vote for Newsom.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Then I hope there’s stiff competition so you can not hate your options.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 days ago
He needs to communicate order and tolerance right now to keep his presidential bid alive.
That's absolutely not what the non-Republican electorate wants right now. What they want is anti-fascist action, not bromance with fascists.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Maybe that’s what you want, but I don’t think that’s what the quiet majority wants, and I think Newsom knows that. People generally want stability and for the President to not take over the news cycle.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 days ago
Do you have any evidence for that silent majority of yours?
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Stability and order is anti-fascism. Fascism is all about identifying an enemy and using it as an excuse to grab power. Stability and order is about not making crazy changes and following the rule of law. If you have a leftist trying the same tactics as Trump, but in the opposite direction, I really don’t think that’s going to work out.
The two largest groups I see revolve around support for Trump. The opposite of Trump is stability and order, and that’s what’s going to sell IMO.
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Can’t tolerate intolerance.
Arcka@midwest.social 2 days ago
They can and they do.
(Democratic politicians, that is.)
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
I never said that’s the correct moral choice, I said that’s what a president who wants to appeal to disenfranchised Trump voters needs to do. This isn’t the election to push far left policies, it’s the election to revert to where we were at and set up for the leftist policies in the second term. Undoing what Trump broke is more than enough change for the average voter.
krashmo@lemmy.world 2 days ago
We’ve waited decades for these rural dipshits to pull their heads out of their asses. If the most obvious wannabe fascist strongman imaginable personally fucking then over repeatedly is not enough to get them to change their ways then there is no point in hoping for that day to come.
We need to push for progressive policy changes right now and if that’s not politically viable in this country in its current state then the collapse of the government is preferable both for our sake and the sake of the rest of the world. Call that naive if you want to but I fully believe that chaos in America is better than a fascist America run by men like Donald Trump running amok around the world.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
I’m not talking about those, I’m talking about people in the middle who supported bought into his anti-establishment nonsense, and finally see him for who he is. I’m talking about the 5% or so of people who would actually consider switching from one major candidate to the other.
Pushing hard for progressive policy changes won’t energize that group. Pushing for reverting Trump’s changes, especially tariffs and immigration, and championing laws to prevent that type of nonsense in the future is probably more appealing than a dramatic shift to the left. What they want is a reset, not a revolution.
To be clear, that’s not what I am looking for, but it’s what would get my parents, siblings, and some of my neighbors who all likely voted for Trump to consider switching parties. They’re not looking for radical change, they’re looking to undo Trump’s power grab.