Comment on what are the grievances with the "male loneliness epidemic"?
Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 1 day ago
I’ve seen two sides to it.
Side 1: “boo hoo nobody will fuck me because I don’t think other people should have rights”
Side 2: not having strong friendships/relationships because our society is built around capitalism, cars, and social media (this obviously applies across genders, side therefore is a generalized loneliness epidemic, not a male gendered one)
In my mind only the second side is worth listening to.
Tedesche@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Side 2 has not actual relevance to the problem itself. These societal tropes are not why men are having a hard time finding women. It’s just a societal trope posing as an explanation.
Side 3 is the only relevant issue. Men are constantly told they need to be more vulnerable or their masculinity is toxic, and yet when they express themselves vulnerably, they’re punished for it.
The problem is that the people touting the toxic masculinity narrative (feminists) don’t take into account how much women reinforce toxic masculinity.
The deeper problem: feminists think they represent women to a far greater extent than they actually do. The fact of the matter is that most women don’t identify as feminists, and therefore feminists are representing liberal gender beliefs, rather than most women. Don’t get me wrong: I actually agree with feminists on balance, but their messaging is garbage, divisive, bullshit. Feminism is far too consumed by misandry to effectively argue their points in a way that could persuade the majority of men and women to support them. This is why they encounter so much failure when their cause is actually 90% right.
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 hours ago
Side 2 is very relevant. If you are lonely you get easily into very terrible sides of society and mindsets. I speak from experience. If you dont have a sense of belonging you also have no sense of self, but then come people that tell you to have a part in their group because of race, religion, nationality, or any other extremist reason.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 11 hours ago
Not sure I agree with that. I don’t have much sense of belonging but I know exactly who I am. If anything that’s why I usually feel like I don’t belong.
Tedesche@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Fair enough, I should have been clearer. I recognize that social isolation has deleterious effects on people. The part I was dismissing was the attribution to capitalism. Capitalism does not cause this effect. Other factors are responsible.
EnsignWashout@startrek.website 11 hours ago
Would you accept “under-regulated capitalism” or “capitalism treated as an ideal rather than a tool” as a more specific root cause?
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 hours ago
Capitalism does though. Atleast to an extend. Car centered city though that kills social connections a lot!
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
feminist has never been a coherent set of beliefs of messages. it’s a clusterfuck of viewpoints.