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insomniac_lemon@lemmy.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

• Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I’m sorry, is this asphalt over baked paving stones? And if so, why?

  Or is this a pothole filled up with stone? And if so, why?

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  • insomniac_lemon@lemmy.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It is indeed paved over. I’m sure there are reasons, but probably not good ones given potholes like this. Aside from initial cost, for large vehicles+higher speeds. IMO seems a bit like gluing carpet over wooden floorboards (which is another anger-inducing thing, especially if you’ve lived in a house with a carpeted bathroom).

    Not Just Bikes has a video on brick roads in the Netherlands (the bricks being called Klinkers, video called Natural Handcrafted Artisanal … Streets?!), how they allow easier maintenance/re-use, brick designs instead of painting the surface after, worn klinkers used in historic areas etc.

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    • Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Oh yeah, klinkers (if they’re baked clay) or the much less inspired sounding betonstraatstenen (concrete street stones) definitely have their benefits, but that video really skips over what a literally backbreaking job it is to tile a street like that, or how slippery these stones get when wet (less so for concrete or textured baked clay)

      Of course, running asphalt over a street like this gets you the worst of both worlds, and its begging for potholes since the two materials match up really poorly. You do occasionally see it in the Netherlands on old roads on top of dikes that were “modernized” in the 70s and 80s.

      Source: am dutch, took a year of civil engineering, ended up doing lots of safety and regulatory stuff for roadworks.

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      • drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Since you have expertise in this maybe you can answer this question for me.

        Do brick or stone roads last longer than asphalt or concrete roads?

        It seems to me like they should, given the higher hardness of the material and the presumably greater resistance to freeze/thaw cycles. I have also seen a few brick roads near me that I can only imagine have gone a very long time with no maintaince (as I think the government here would rather cover it in asphalt than try to work with the bricks). The ground underneath the bricks has shifted over time forming depressions in the path that car tires take, but it is still fine to drive over at low speeds, as the slopes are smooth unlike the holes that form in asphalt.

        I’ve tried googling this before but haven’t been able to find a straightforward answer as to how long a road like that can go between rounds of maintenance.

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    • Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Our driveway is made from the same kind of thing, rain never pools on it as it goes down the gaps

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    • chocrates@piefed.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      We pave over brick in New Orleans too. Not sure why

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  • Supervisor194@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It’s a lovely street made of brick pavers that has been paved over with asphalt because it provides a smoother ride for vehicles and pleasant aesthetics are for losers.

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  • Hubi@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I’m sorry, is this asphalt over baked paving stones? And if so, why?

    This is what happened in a lot of European cities, they just paved over the cobblestone. I’ve seen something similar in a especially deep pothole in my neighborhood. Felt like a glimpse into the past.

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  • freebee@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It was the cheapest way to improve noisy cobble or other stone roads with fancy newer asphalt technology. Until it got patchy, then it gets expensive after all…

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