Comment on 7 years later, Valve's Proton has been an incredible game-changer for Linux
devolution@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Whatever allows us to leave the clusterfuck that is Windows is a blessing. M$ has had a monopoly for too long and I’m not paying for MacOS.
floo@retrolemmy.com 2 months ago
macOS has been free for, like, 15 years.
malwieder@feddit.org 2 months ago
macOS is included with every Mac, not free.
floo@retrolemmy.com 2 months ago
Well, then show me a receipt where you paid for macOS. Should be interesting.
Zorque@lemmy.world 2 months ago
As they need to be installed on Apple hardware, there’s an implicit cost associated with it.
If you want to be super pedantic for no reason, you’re correct, it is technically free.
P1nkman@lemmy.world 2 months ago
So when someone buys [anything] with a screen, the OS on the screen if free?
I don’t have a receipt for the OS in my car, so it means I must’ve gotten it for free. Same with the seats, steering wheel, mirrors, buttons, doors, you bang it! But what did I actually pay for then?
AndyMFK@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
when you buy a banana at the grocery store, show me the receipt that you paid for the shipping of said banana. When you buy a computer keyboard, show me the receipt for the ‘F’ key. When you buy a TV, show me the receipt for the capacitors.
This is not how receipts work.
Dremor@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I can show you many receipts where I bought a Windows laptop without a trace of any Windows licence on it.
Same, you can’t really install macOS on anything else than a Mac.
Sure you can do a Hackintosh, or run Windows without a proper licence (you can buy a Windows for like… $2 on the grey market). But you won’t have any support…
Tortellinius@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Bruh what? Did you really just say that not having to buy software exclusive to a certain hardware makes the software free?
That’s like saying the OS on a PlayStation is free because you only had to pay for the PlayStation.
Nah man, you purchased the OS with the hardware. That’s why it’s exclusive.
floo@retrolemmy.com 2 months ago
No, I said your argument is ridiculous. So is this one you just made.
It’s not like either of those things.
macOS is free. Just because it requires a computer to run doesn’t mean it isn’t free. That’s the worst rationalization. I’ve heard yet.
AndyMFK@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
macOS is absolutely not free, and your argument is exactly the same as those examples the previous user provided.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Anybody can download Windows images too. That doesn’t mean the OS is free.
floo@retrolemmy.com 2 months ago
I never said it did
KillerWhale@orcas.enjoying.yachts 2 months ago
Macos is free. At the cost of paying *2 for hardware
floo@retrolemmy.com 2 months ago
You have to pay for hardware to rent any operating system.
iopq@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I don’t have to solder my ssd to the system to use it
ClassyHatter@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
Hackintosh is a thing (or at least used to be), but it’s against the EULA.
floo@retrolemmy.com 2 months ago
Yeah, the big reason to do that was so you could attach an EGPU which wasn’t supported natively. Now it is, though, so the need for that mostly disappeared. Plus, macOS is now so reliant on proprietary interval hardware like the T2 chip, then I won’t run on anything, but Apple hardware.
paraphrand@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The big reason to make a hackintosh was to use eGPUs?
eGPUs were not supported natively? And now they are?
What timeline are you talking about here? Is it all back 10-6 years ago?
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 2 months ago
eGPUs? I ran a Hackintosh because Apple didn’t sell hardware in the configuration I wanted. Less to do with GPUs and more to do with the lack of hard drive slots or PCIe slots. I had a nice workflow with some pieces of shareware that slowly lost support with each major OS update and every major update also came with less customizing for Finder. By the time they switched to their own ARM chips, I was ready to drop it. Apple’s idea of game support was just mobile shit anyway. They should have become partnered with Valve on Proton.
androidisking@lemmy.world 2 months ago
This is a dumb argument. Apple does provide you the OS upgrades for free but getting an ISO file and installing it on a non-Mac computer is impossible so no it’s not really free
floo@retrolemmy.com 2 months ago
Really? Did you pay for it? Because it’s free for me when I download it.
androidisking@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That’s not the point. You’re still going to have to pay money regardless if you want the operating system. Whereas windows and Linux allow you to use their ISOs is any laptop or computer so no buddy.
devolution@lemmy.world 2 months ago
floo@retrolemmy.com 2 months ago
Exactly what nuance says there to blatant insults and ableism?
devolution@lemmy.world 2 months ago
lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
Oh, there is.
I am a web developer and I use this to run Safari and the iOS simulator without paying Apple’s “debugging tax”.
olympicyes@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That’s a limited time opportunity because x86 support is getting dropped with macOS 27.
railwhale@lemmy.nz 2 months ago
Unless they don’t provide ARM downloads or have some other problem, couldn’t you just use the ARM version, because part of what QEMU is is an emulator, to emulate other architectures?
lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
Well…looks like my employer will have to buy me a Macbook soon.