Same as ever…was that money wasn’t needed.
Do you need money within your neighborhood or your family? Do you pay people for giving a favor?
Comment on If AI takes most of our jobs, money as we know it will be over. What then?
paper_moon@lemmy.world 4 days ago
“What then?”
“Same as it ever was!”
We all fight over resources that actually matter (like food, water, shelter and security) instead the previous things (money), for the enjoyment of our overlords.
Seriously, the people who have power to change the outcome od the future seem to either straight not planning for this future scenario, or are planning for a horribly distopian version of this future scenario.
DrunkenPirate@feddit.org 4 days ago
echodot@feddit.uk 1 day ago
Money is a way to get people to do things they wouldn’t otherwise do.
If you don’t have automation you either have to have money or slavery. One of the other is required to keep society going otherwise no one’s going to do the crappy jobs. Since someone has to do the crappy job you have to find a way to incentivise them and that’s money or whips. Don’t kid yourself into believing that money isn’t necessary, it is.
DrunkenPirate@feddit.org 1 day ago
I wonder how human societies survived without money, if this is so essential for the crap.
I wonder why people do crappy jobs for money? Is it because they need much money for things such as car, smartphone, playstation? For some food, you do not need much money. Actually you can grow it for yourself if you do not live in a big city.
Sure, if one got in this consumption trap, one needs a constant inflow of fresh money.
echodot@feddit.uk 15 hours ago
I think you’ve answered your own questions. Money doesn’t have to be actual cash it can be bartering, I.e. I’ll give you five carrots in exchange for your help to build this barn
But what if they don’t need carrots right now, well you can give them a IOU for carrots whenever they want, and now you’ve invented money
deafboy@lemmy.world 3 days ago
A favor is just a form of debt, and debt is money. It does not matter whether it’s written down on paper, or just remembered.
DrunkenPirate@feddit.org 1 day ago
It does matter. How much worth is helping a friend? Or how much money for your neighbors for caring your pets while you‘re in holidays?
Don’t you think they will refuse to take money for this favor? Not everything in humankind can be paid for.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Oh, they’ve planned for it. They have their billionaire bunkers. Bezos has three that we know of.
echodot@feddit.uk 1 day ago
Ok great. He can go and live in there while we ignore him.
These bunkers are a boondoggle, what’s the plan here, is he going to stay in there until civilisation rebuilds itself into a capitalist system. If so he’s going to be waiting a while.
tankplanker@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Who is he going to staff it with? There is zero chance he will cook and clean for himself and he will need a substantial army to protect himself from the collapse of the human race.
If he goes with people how long before the security guards realise they can dump his scrawny ass off a cliff and have a better quality of life as money becomes irrelevant? If he goes with robots how long before they break beyond what they can self repair? If he goes with robots with human engineers, how long before the engineers realise the same thing as the security guards and program the robots to kill Bezos?
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I think that, in a world where legal systems have collapsed completely and billionaires have survived, I don’t think labor will be a matter of choice anymore. I think they’d turn to slavery and likely already have designs on how they’d do it.
tankplanker@lemmy.world 3 days ago
But how do you pay the overseers to enforce it when money is no longer valid? And the overseers are bigger and tougher than your average billionaire?
Slavery only works when there is money to pay the overseers and a legal system to protect the owner class from being extorted by the overseers.
ICE is in a similar boat and they have to pay significant amounts to attract people to carry out ICE fascism.