Comment on YouTube and Reddit are sued for allegedly enabling the racist mass shooting in Buffalo that left 10 dead

SitD@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• elscallr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  They banned violence. Clearly banning things is effective. It worked when they banned drugs. And 100 years ago when they banned alcohol. And there’s definitely no sex workers because prostitution is banned.

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  • PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yet somehow, the bans on hand grenades, landmines and giant bags of anfo have worked. It’s almost like it’s easier to control the production of weapons and dangerous goods than plants and sex.

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    • Techmaster@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      ANFO isn’t banned, people use it all the time.

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      • PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I am using the pro-gun community definition of the word “banned” that means “not actually banned, just regulated”.

        You can also buy hand grenades with the appropriate permits and background checks. You know, just like guns in almost every other country where the pro-gun community insists they’re “banned”.

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    • elscallr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I don’t think I mentioned guns at all. If you assume banning guns would be equally ineffective I can’t say I disagree, but that’s a conclusion you came to.

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  • Dietwindex@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Noone is saying ban guns. People are saying we should have more thorough background checks, mandatory training, and close gun show loop holes. No, banning things doesn’t completely solve the issue. But putting obstacles in the way generally stop most crimes. Of course there will still be people who go above and beyond to commit a crime, but with the number of shootings drastically lowered you can start to address the rest more easily.

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  • SupraMario@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Bad news…tons of people want to ban guns thinking it’ll stop the violence…

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    • irotsoma@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      People want to regulate guns, not ban them. If a supply is reduced and people lock up the guns they do have rather than leaving them to be easily stolen, they’re less likely to be used in violence. That means when people are violent, they’re more likely to use a knife or other weapon that’s more convenient to access. When a knife is used, it’s highly unlikely that bystanders will also be killed. Also, it’s less likely that the victim themselves will die. And if you think you don’t care about the life of another person involved in violence, think selfishly about the cost that you’re paying in hospital costs and medical insurance to treat gun woulds of the people who die and can’t pay their bill which cost way, way more to treat than knife wounds. Not to mention that if you care at all about the lives of cops, you’ll realize that cops are usually the bystanders that get killed by the guns being used in violent acts.

      The only guns that people want to ban are offensive weapons of war. The only thing they can do with that is commit terrorism.

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      • SupraMario@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        People want to regulate guns, not ban them.

        That’s some bullshit. The end goal is complete disarming of the public. Stop fooling yourself.

        If a supply is reduced and people lock up the guns they do have rather than leaving them to be easily stolen, they’re less likely to be used in violence

        Straw purchases are how the majority of firearms used in crime are obtained, not from theft.

        That means when people are violent, they’re more likely to use a knife or other weapon that’s more convenient to access. When a knife is used, it’s highly unlikely that bystanders will also be killed.

        Yes tell that to all the people who are killed by knives. Which is 3xs higher than all rifles combined. Which you clearly want to ban…that black plastic rifle you think is a weapon of war, kills around 50-100 people a year. Hands and feet kill 2xs all rifles combined and about 15xs more than the AR-15 yearly.

        Also, it’s less likely that the victim themselves will die.

        This is just nonsense…see above.

        And if you think you don’t care about the life of another person involved in violence, think selfishly about the cost that you’re paying in hospital costs and medical insurance to treat gun woulds of the people who die and can’t pay their bill which cost way, way more to treat than knife wounds. Not to mention that if you care at all about the lives of cops, you’ll realize that cops are usually the bystanders that get killed by the guns being used in violent acts.

        First, I’m all for single payer healthcare, secondly, cops kill on average around 1k Americans a year…yea… I’m not worried about the boots…

        The only guns that people want to ban are offensive weapons of war. The only thing they can do with that is commit terrorism.

        Lol handguns are used in 95% of all gun violence…and it’s like 99% of all suicides. That black scary rifle is a rounding error on firearm deaths…and it’s not a weapon of war, it’s a semi-auto rifle dressed up in plastic…the military wouldn’t be caught dead with one of them.

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  • SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So you would legalize kiddie porn because it still exists?

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    • elscallr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No I’d kill the people that made it. There’s a difference.

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      • PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yeah but you’re pro-gun, so it’s not surprising that you’re always on the look out for someone you can get away with murdering.

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  • Pratai@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Ever wonder why no one is walking about with their own personal bazooka?

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• PutangInaMo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Are you suggesting “banning guns”? If so, genuine curiosity, how would you go about doing it?

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  • Petter1@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I guess a good start would be document gun holders digitally and not on a pile of paper where nobody finds anything and has water damage. Another approach would be not having guns sold in the supermarket. Furthermore, you could ban ads for guns and make it very hard to buy heavy stuff used only in war zone. And lastly restrict who and how weapons are allowed to be transported on man. Of course, one has to have a valid reason to have a weapon on them. Going shopping with a gun out of fear is mot a reason.

    First we have to stop bringing new weapons to people, than we can think about collecting

    I’m Swiss, we have nearly as many private weapons per household as Americans have, but we have way less shootings, all the things above apply here and I think it kinda works.

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    • jonathanvmv8f@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      TIL they show ads for guns. What exactly do they advertise?

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      • Petter1@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Well that is one thing I’m not 100% sure, but NRA 100% does political pro gun ads on TV (and most likely precisely targeted in social media) I just assumed there are normal gun ads since, well, it’s America.

        youtu.be/ks2_wY7f-MM?si=SWzCvmHLKdys7jFt

        Just skipped through that and it seems most tv networks refuse gun ads, but it seems not illegal by law to show gun ads on tv.

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    • 30mag@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Nearly all of your suggestions are already part of New York state law.

      Exceptions:

      No registration required for non-“assault weapon” long guns.

      Of course, one has to have a valid reason to have a weapon on them. Going shopping with a gun out of fear is mot a reason.

      Open carry in New York is not legal. Concealed carry requires a license. I believe that requiring a reason to carry for obtaining a license to carry was recently ruled unconstitutional. I don’t know whether you can legally require a reason for the act of carrying the gun.

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      • Petter1@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It seems like New York goes in the right direction then, nice to see! I bet one sees the difference in the statistics for gun violence compared to other states of America. Umm, is NY a state or a city or both? 😂 not so sure right now

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  • BradleyUffner@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The same way we banned private ownership of nuclear missiles.

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    • Techmaster@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah that was crazy when they had to go around and confiscate all those nuclear missiles from millions of American households.

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      • DarthBueller@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        God, please don’t give the GOP any ideas, the last thing we need is nuclear proliferation among Trumpers.

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  • prole@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Could ask Australia

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  • SitD@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I would copy-paste what already worked in Australia, which used to have similar gun rights: www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0aGGOK4kAM

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