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Clearly LLMs are useful to software engineers.

Citation needed. I don’t use one. If my coworkers do, they’re very quiet about it. More than half the posts I see promoting them, even as “just a tool,” are from people with obvious conflicts of interest. What’s “clear” to me is that the Overton window has been dragged kicking and screaming to the extreme end of the scale by five years of constant press releases masquerading as news and billions of dollars of market speculation.

I’m not going to delegate the easiest part of my job to something that’s undeniably worse at it. I’m not going to pass up opportunities to understand a system better in hopes of getting 30-minute tasks done in 10. And I’m definitely not going to pay for the privilege.

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frog_brawler@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’m not a “software engineer” but a lot of people that don’t work within tech would probably call me one.

I’m in Cloud Engineering, but came from the sys/network admin and ops side of things rather than starting off in dev or anything like that.

Up until about 5 years ago, I really only knew Powershell and a little bit of bash. I’ve gotten up to speed in a lot of things but never officially learned python, js, go or any other real development language that would be useful to me. I’ve spent way more time focusing on getting good with IaC, and probably more of the SRE type stuff.

In my particular situation, LLMs are incredibly useful. I’ve had it convert bash scripts to python for me very quickly. I don’t know python but now that I’m able to look at a python script next to my bash; I’m picking up on stuff a lot faster. I’m using Lambda way more often as a result.

Also, there’s a lot of mundane filling out forms shit that I delegate to an LLM. I don’t want to spend my time filling out a form that I know no one is actually going to read. F it, I’ll have the AI write a report for an AI. It’s dumb as shit, but that’s the world today.

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Phegan@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’ve only found two effective uses for them. Every time I tried them otherwise they fell flat and took me longer that it would have to write the code myself.

The first was a greenfield personal project where I let code quality wane since I was the only person maintaining it, and wanted to test LLMs. The other was to write highly repeative data tests where the model can simply type faster than me.

Anything that requires writing code that needs to be maintained by multiple people or systems older than 2 years, it has fallen completely flat. In cases like that I spend more time telling the LLM it is doing it wrong, it would have taken me less time to write the code in the first place. In 95% of cases, I am still faster than an LLM at solving a problem and writing the code.

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skisnow@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’ve found them useful, sometimes, but nothing like a fraction of what the hype would suggest.

They’re not adequate replacements for code reviewers, but getting an AI code review does let me occasionally fix a couple of blunders before I waste another human’s time with them.

I’ve also had the occasional bit of luck with “why am I getting this error” questions, where it saved me 10 minutes of digging through the code myself.

“Create some test data and a smoke test for this feature” is another good timesaver for what would normally be very tedious drudge work.

What I have given up on is “implement a feature that does X” questions, because it invariably creates more work than it saves. Companies selling “type in your app idea and it’ll write the code” solutions are snake-oil salesman.

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jj4211@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I have been using it a bit, still can’t decide if it is useful or not though… It can occasionally suggest a blatantly obvious couple of lines of code here and there, but along the way I get inundated with annoying suggestions that are useless and I haven’t gotten used to ignoring them.

I mostly work with a niche area the LLMs seem broadly clueless about, and prompt driven code is almost always useless except when dealing with a super boilerplate usage of a common library.

I do know some people that deal with amazingly mundane and common functions and they are amazed that it can pretty much do their jobs, but they never really impressed me before anyway and I wondered how they had a job…

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Aatube@kbin.melroy.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2025/ai/

47% daily use

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- mojofrododojo@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  47% daily use
  
  That is NOT what that says. It says 47% of STACK OVERFLOW RESPONDENTS REPORT using AI. That does not represent 47% of devs.
  
  If you go to 4chan and poll of chuds, you’re going to get a high percentage of respondents affirming your query. You went to stackoverflow and asked about AI. Think about the user base.
  
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  - Aatube@kbin.melroy.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    thanks but i felt like that’d be obvious from the URL lol. the SO survey is probably the largest sample size we have for this…
    
    …that isn’t outright from an AI company (not that SO doesn’t have AI but they’re still an answers company as opposed to, say, Cursor AI whose main selling point is the AI) and their sample should be pretty close to all online devs, maybe slightly exclusionary of very experienced ones. SO’s evangelist proportion is not even close to 4chan’s chud proportion; not sure why had the impression needed to name that comparison.
    
    it’s not like Codidact has a dev survey and even if they had one they’d have as much bias as this comment section
    
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Feyd@programming.dev ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I don’t use one, and my coworkers that do use them are very loud about it, and worse at their jobs than they were a year ago.

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hisao@ani.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

If my coworkers do, they’re very quiet about it.

Gee, guess why. Given the current culture of hate and ostracism I would never outright say IRL that I like it or use it a lot. I would say something like “yeah, I think it can sometimes be useful when used carefully and I sometimes use it too”. While in reality it would mean that it actually writes 95% of code under my micromanagement.

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- Feyd@programming.dev ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Wut. At software shops the prevailing atmosphere is that you should use it and broadcast it as much as possible. This person’s experience is not normal
  
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  - hisao@ani.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Okay, to be fair, my knowledge of the current culture in industry is very limited. It’s mostly impression formed by online conversations, not limited to Lemmy. Last project I worked at it was illegal to use public LLMs because of intellectual property (and maybe even GDPR) concerns. We had a local scope-limited LLM integration though and that one was allowed, but there was literally a single person across multiple departments who used it and it was a “middle” dev and it was only for autocomplete. Backenders wouldn’t even consider it.
    
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