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Comment on YSK that despite being outside of US jurisdiction, Lego has dropped diversity and inclusion terminology from its annual report

TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

Even though I have reservations about US-style DEI initiatives (I’d much prefer France’s way of not recording ethnicity, race, religion etc), I do find Trump admin’s policies to be beyond absurd and stupid of just nuking everything.

The good news though is that fascists typically shoot themselves on the foot and end up destroying themselves because their decisions are based on emotions. There is quite literally neither rhyme nor reason. If one reads into Nazi and fascist policies and institutions, they don’t make any sense whatsoever. Nazi Germany was actually on the brink of self-made bankruptcy by excessive overspending, until Hitler declared war to delay the inevitable by plundering the resources of Europe. Eventually, American fascism will just end up eating itself.

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FarraigePlaisteach@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
The problem with France s approach (as I understand it) is that by not recording ethnicity data, employers have free rein to discriminate if the persons background becomes known to them during the hiring process. Discrimination is rife because of this and they lack sufficient data and regulations to tackle it.

Studies have been carried out which send crafted resumes of different ethnicities to employers to assess callback rates. povertyactionlab.org/…/discrimination-hiring-and-…

I hope you’re right about US fascism. But while the U.S. President is an impulsive man child, his puppeteers are a lot smarter and more committed. We also have greater wealth inequality compared to WWII giving these guys a bigger advantage this time.

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- TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  It might be more difficult to dismantle US fascism because it is oligarchic technofascism, than old school fascism. However, if there is one thing that is proven, is that eventually people rise up. Time and time again, those who come to power become too corrupt to be palatable. This has been observed since Plato’s time.
  
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- iglou@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  I’m not certain having data on people’s ethnicity is helping at all with discrimination on hiring.
  
  There is laws in France against discrimination as well. The problem isn’t that there isn’t ethnic data, the problem is that it’s really hard to prove that a candidate was rejected because of their ethnicity.
  
  I’d be happy to be proven wrong though.
  
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  - IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    
    it’s really hard to prove that a candidate was rejected because of their ethnicity
    
    Same in Finland at least to some extent. Statistics and published tests show that you’re less likely to get even an interview if you have a foregin sounding name but of course the official reason is always something ‘acceptable’. And when hiring people the reason can be whatever, “not good fit for our team”, “other applicants had better suited skill set”, “not enough experience in X” and so on. All perfectly good reasons to pick someone else in theory and in practise it’s impossible to prove any racism on selection.
    
    Obviously not everyone does this and any of those can be a real reason to pick someone else even without any racism (intended or not), but it’s still common enough to be statistically meaningful.
    
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    iglou@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Exactly. All that the stats do in this case is show what everyone knows: There is a racism problem in hiring.
    
    It doesn’t help prove anything in a court of law, and the multitude of excuses to hide racism make it almost impossible to prove that the true reason is racism.
    
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ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
One issue is, while there’s a light at the end of the tunnel, many won’t be able to reach it.

Other is that DEI also includes education material for HR, and in my country (Hungary), where it’s frowned upon by the state, often ableist and racist pieces of shits manage to get there. Someone acts a bit like an autistic person? They probably only got there where they are thanks to their mom sleeping with teachers and such, otherwise they likely have some severe intellectual disability and cant even count to ten. Someone has a darker skin? First they’re dumb, second they steal. And any counter to it is bad, because it’s a human right to have an opinion on something, even if it’s wrong, and even if said people act out on that wrong opinion. If they’re cishet white christian men with an able body that’s all. Everyone else have to follow those opinions, even if they’re wrong, because those men built “western civilization”.

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