Comment on About Star Trek Starfleet Academy blacklash

dax@feddit.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So, why didn’t you like Discovery?

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  • dax@feddit.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    For me, Star Trek was mostly about a possible brighter future. Humanity overcame the issues on earth, no longer relies on money/capitalism, etc. When your watch the crew on TNG, they are acting professionally and with a code of ethics.

    Discovery is so miserable. Everyone is angry all the time, there’s racism, lots of unnecessary drama, people acting extremely unprofessionally. Same with Picard. Especially sour about how they made one of the best characters - Q - also very serious and miserable. He could’ve been the comedic relief the series needed, without undermining the rest of the story. The “Picard speeches” are just badly written too, so whimsical and empty.

    We have a million dystopian Sci-fi series already, why do we need more? I feel writers are no longer able to tell compelling stories without fake drama. It’s possible to engage with modern day issues in a different way, especially by showing how to be better.

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    • yyyesss@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I hated Discovery. Didn’t make it through season 1. Thanks for so clearly explaining why. AND convincing me not to bother with Picard.

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      • th_in_gs@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Discovery changed a lot season-to-season. As did Picard.

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• data1701d@startrek.website ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I was hardly the target audience for Lower Decks; in fact, I was a little mad they had made an adult animated Star Trek comedy. However, after watching it, it has become a favorite. Season 1 is a bit difficult to get through, but once you get through that, overall, it’s a show that’s very sincere to what Star Trek is while still being a comedy. And it should have gotten 2 more seasons.

  Same with Star Trek: Prodigy: it takes a second, and it’s still technically a kids show, but when it gets there, it’s worth it.

  Honestly, I’m half hopeful for the show just because it’s a “We’re going for the {X} demographic” kind of show that sounds a little like a stupid idea that will actually turn out unexpectedly good but get cancelled before its time.

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• brianary@startrek.website ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  LD and SNW are easily some of the best Trek series.

  How would TNG have fared if people dipped out at ep 2?

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  • dax@feddit.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    True, I may not have given SNW the chance it deserved. I’ve watched all 3 seasons of Picard though and almost 2 seasons of Discovery

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• n3m37h@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Ya seen strange new worlds???

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  • dax@feddit.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’ve watched the first couple episodes with no expectations, didn’t hate them, didn’t love them… I don’t really know why - just didn’t click with me. Might give it another shot!

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    • n3m37h@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It really is a throwback to the TNG days, more story than action but can be dark like DS9

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      • Damage@feddit.it ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I find SNW can be wacky like TOS, idealistic like TNG and dark like DS9. It’s great, and doesn’t take itself too seriously.

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• ijhoo@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Same for me.

  Just saw jem Hadar in the star fleet in this trailer? What?

  I see them prioritizing:

  1. Diversity and political correctness
  2. Special effects
  3. Dramatic feel / grandiose feel

  …

  99. Storyline

  Kurzman really destroyed trek.

  I will see what comes out in the first 3 episodes, but as with discovery, I have extremely little expectations. Discovery ruined new trek for me: still cannot get over the mushroom drive and waterbear providing maps by shocking it with electricity, constantly whispering and whining of the main character, another crybaby destroyed dilithium in the galaxy because he has a ‘connection’… Take your pick

  They do have some good casting, like Tig Notaro. Hope there are other good ones as well.

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  • SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Every time I see a ‘Kurtzman bad’ post, I think about the molesting of female actors that Rick Berman did. I think of the power hungry swings of manipulation he wielded over anyone who tried to leave.

    I think of Maurice Hurley, who got McFadden fired on false pretences because she dared to stand up to his sexist shit.

    I think of Gene Roddenberry, of his persistent meddling and manipulation. Of his theft of ideas and royalties. Of the fact that he is almost certainly the attempted rapist of the era.

    Get the fuck over yourselves. ‘I dont like Kurtzman’s story ideas’ puts him leagues ahead of the literal legacy of sex offenders that ran the show before.

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    • Hugin@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Kurtzman is by all accounts a good person. He is however terrible at making good entertainment and a specially good Startrek.

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  • grozzle@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    if you’re posting about diversity being a negative, you’ve totally missed the point of all Star Trek since 1966.

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    • ijhoo@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If this is so, your comment makes no sense. If i didn’t have an issue with it in the old trek, why would it be a problem now?

      To make it absolutely clear: the problem is the order of priorities - that diversity is no1 and storyline is no99. Not that diversity is there.

      For me, trek wasn’t primarily about diversity. It was about space and exploration, ethical dilemmas. By ‘chance’ it happened to have a diverse crew and it was irrelevant who they were.

      Now, it’s primarily about diversity, minorities and who is in the team… god forbid we have one minority unrepresented. Space and exploration come not even second, but way down the list.

      American society seems to overcompensate with that on TV to offset what is happening in the real world. For example making Cleopatra black.

      Connecting this to international companies I used to work for: It was always better in multi-cultural environment. But imagine if you have to hire every nationality just to put a checkbox on some list, regardless of what they know and can do. This is how this trailer feels: forced for no good reason.

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    • Hugin@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s not that diversity is a negative. It’s a plus and a core part of Star Trek from the beginning. NuTrek has great diversity and terrible story telling that feels like it’s using the diversity as a crutch.

      It’s like Ben and Arthur. I totally support the message that gay marriage should be allowed. However the movie is complete garbage because of how bad the story is told.

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      • usernamefactory@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I’m bothered by the false equivalency made in the original post, though. The diversity isn’t the cause of bad storytelling. The problem isn’t that they prioritised one thing over another. Casting a white male lead on Discovery wouldn’t have given them more time to work out the plot, or a more talented stable of writers. The two are completely orthogonal to one another.

        If someone wants to criticise the storytelling, they can just do that. There’s no reason to bring up diversity unless they have some desire to scapegoat it.

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    • MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yea,vthey definitely fucked the phrasing on that one, but I think their point is it’s negative to focus on diversity over the story.

      A good story with a focus on diversity and accepting others? Good!

      Diversity for the sake of casting a minority actor in a role that’s otherwise squandered and only shown off as a token? Bad!

      The positive interpretation is akin to what Warwick Davis meant in his criticism against Snow White: Don’t use minorities as a token, especially a marketing token. If you’re going to do it, make it mean something so they’re not just a token for marketing purposes.

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      • ijhoo@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yep. Exactly my point.

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      • usernamefactory@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I doubt that’s what they meant, partly because it really doesn’t seem to apply to either Disco or Picard. Both had their fair share of issues in the writing, but I wouldn’t say tokenism was among them (unless you count Disco’s bury-your-gays moment, but they course corrected on that).

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  • usernamefactory@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Just saw jem Hadar in the star fleet in this trailer? What?

    Why is that a problem? In TOS, Klingons were the enemy, then TNG brought us Worf. In TNG, the Ferengi were the enemy, then in DS9 Nog joined up. Star Trek is all about coming together and overcoming differences.

    I see them prioritizing:

    1. Diversity and political correctness

    I wish. They’ve cancelled all the shows with queer representation. SNW has about a hundred relationships going on, all straight. I miss Disco and Lower Decks.

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    • lime@feddit.nu ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      none of those are explicitly evolved and bred by another race to act as their cannon fodder, and kept in-line by psychoactive substances they are genetically engineered to die without.

      sure you can argue that they can be fixed by medicine and deprogramming, but it would be a bit like a new star wars film having a battle droid as a jedi padawan

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      • ValueSubtracted@startrek.website ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        If the Dominion has had any sort of reformation at all over the last several hundred years, I would think that freeing the Jem’Hadar would have been near the top of the “to do” list.

        It hardly seems fair to compare them to robots.

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