Comment on Meet the AI vegans: They are choosing to abstain from using artificial intelligence for environmental, ethical and personal reasons. Maybe they have a point

aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• haloduder@thelemmy.club ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  What would make it ‘ai’ in your mind?

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  • aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Sentience

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    • haloduder@thelemmy.club ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Why?

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      • Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        AI is short for artificial intelligence. But its not intelligence if it just repeats what it grabed from somewhere. Only self thinking makes intelligence

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• Zacryon@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It is AI.

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  • mavu@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Not if you use “AI” as the abbreviation of “artificial intelligence”.
    If you use AI as meaning “what chatGPT & co are” then it’s a trueism.

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    • Zacryon@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      But yes. Exactly in the use of “Artificial Intelligence”.

      Artificial Intelligence is a wide field, consisting of a plethora of methods. LLMs like ChatGPT are part of this wide field, as per definition how researchers are describing the field.

      The “intelligence” part is an issue though if taken literal?., since we have no clear definition of what “intelligence” even is. Neither for human / natural intelligence, nor for artificial. But that’s how the field was labled. We have created a category for a bunch of methods, models and algorithms and sticked “AI” onto it. Therefore I stand by what I have said before:

      It is AI.

      Due to the lack of a clear definition for “intelligence” I would coarsely outline AI as: mimicking natural thinking, problem solving and decision processes without necessarily being identical. (This makes it difficult to distinguish it from plain calculators though, so a better definition is required.) So if we have a model that is able to distinguish cat pictures from non-cat pictures, that’s AI. And if we have “autocorrect on steroids” (credit to Dirk Hohndel) like ChatGPT, that matches the text comprehension skills of 15 year olds (just an example), then this too is AI.

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      • princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        One fundamental part of “intelligence” is being able to come up with independent thoughts. Another is to be able to think critically about those thoughts. LLMs cannot do either.

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      • mavu@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I was going to wholeheartedly endorse your comment and then you ruin it in the last sentence with

        that matches the text comprehension skills of 15 year olds (just an example), then this too is AI.

        It feels like you know what you are talking about, but then confuse the successful statistical analysis of text as “comprehension” which is just plain factually wrong.

        sad. so close though.

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      • Electricd@lemmybefree.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Enjoy being downvoted for being right

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• Electricd@lemmybefree.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Hard copium there

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  • mavu@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “AI” or LLMs are great for people without skill. They love them and get quite aggressive when you insult the machine.

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    • Electricd@lemmybefree.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I love the arguments: none

      AI is broader than LLMs

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      • mavu@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You mean I should have instead replied with good solid arguments like:

        Hard copium there

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      • princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It’s not really about feelings? It’s provably, demonstrably wrong a bunch of the time. It’s pathologically incapable of saying “I don’t know this”. Also you’re nitpicking, they may have conflated LLMs with AI but so is the article and you clearly knew what OC was talking about.

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