Comment on Should big tech be allowed to mine Australians’ text and data to train AI? The Productivity Commission is considering it

Eyekaytee@aussie.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• galoisghost@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Sounds good but it’s all bullshit.

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  • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I can tell if that comment is in jest, he is for real drinking the koolaid with a straight face.

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• eureka@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Whenever a technology has increased productivity, the extra profit made hasn’t been passed on to increase the workers’ real wages. Why would it?

  We’ve already seen AI preemptively treated as a way to make workers redundant and not pay their wage at all, with some idiot bosses having to rehire entire teams they had fired because they bought into AI hype and thought it was capable of replacing them all. They’ve shown what their financial incentive is - increasing shareholder value by outsourcing to cheap markets or removing jobs. And in fact, removing jobs through automation could be a great thing if we had a market capable of retraining those workers to perform the jobs that society needs most. We don’t. Our political-economy is run for profit, not productivity, and it’s important we recognise how contradictory those goals truly are in the real world.

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  • Eyekaytee@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Whenever a technology has increased productivity, the extra profit made hasn’t been passed on to increase the workers’ real wages. Why would it?

    Where did you read this? It certainly did in the past:

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    It stopped when the mining boom took off, we’re not a manufacturing hub anymore and it’s difficult to measure how many widgets we make when the widgets are hard to measure

    www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-27/…/105338488

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    • eureka@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I’m not convinced that the ABS graph shows that productivity and earnings were closely coupled before or during the 90s. As it says in the graph title, they’ve set 1991 as a starting origin (setting Productivity equal to Earnings), so it doesn’t imply the two were already as closely coupled as they look. They only appear so close because the graph sets 1991 as the common point to compare both axes.

      To demonstrate, I’ve edited the graph to show what would happen if they made that same graph start from 2009. I’ve done this by copying the orange line up (and colouring it red) so that both lines begin at the same spot in 2009 instead of 1991. And just like the 1991 line, they appear to match each other or a few years - apart from one major dip around 2016, they align very closely for the first 10 years just like in the full 1991 graph.

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      But we know from your original ABS graph that the wages were already significantly diverging from productivity by 2009. So, I suspect that if we had a longer graph, then we’d learn that wages were already decoupled from productivity in the decades before 1991, but at the very least this graph doesn’t imply close coupling existed in the past and shows evidence of regular uncoupling.

      Maybe we should use AI to train them :D

      Sure. Although like all tools, AI can only help if used properly. It’s not a panacea, and it can’t replace most training techniques by itself. Similarly, we can’t just “use the internet” to train them or “use books” to train them.

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• MisterFrog@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I think you’re forgetting we live under capitalism, every job that can be removed, will be removed.

  Automation will only end up being a net positive for society if we radically alter our economic system.

  Automation to this level is not the same as industrialisation or the motormobile, we’re not creating nearly enough jobs to offset those that would be lost in the process.

  All at a time at which 2 incomes barely covers living expenses for many people, where 1 used to cover a house, a wife and 3 kids.

  $4,300 extra over 10 years? Press X to doubt AI will have anything to do with it.

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  • Eyekaytee@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Automation to this level is not the same as industrialisation or the motormobile, we’re not creating nearly enough jobs to offset those that would be lost in the process.

    I thought employment rate has been at record lows these last couple years?

    All at a time at which 2 incomes barely covers living expenses for many people, where 1 used to cover a house, a wife and 3 kids.

    If you take out housing payments/rents as they’re due to the housing crisis that’s definitely not true

    If you’re on 2 incomes and struggling with a paid off house you’re doing something wrong

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    • MisterFrog@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I thought employment rate has been at record lows these last couple years?

      We are in a service economy, which hasn’t been as exposed to mechanical automation. You think there are still going to be as many jobs in the service industry of we automate it all? You think the market gives two shits about human dignity and keeping us employed?

      We’re already shipping as many service jobs as we can to cheaper places. You think this doesn’t have an effect on our future employment prospects?

      If you take out housing payments/rents as they’re due to the housing crisis that’s definitely not true

      Are you hearing yourself?

      If you’re on 2 incomes and struggling with a paid off house you’re doing something wrong

      This is such a brain-dead, out of touch take.

      How exactly are people, who don’t own a home, supposed to get to that point? With piles, and piles of debt, for houses that have gone up, way, way, way beyond inflation.

      If they have no relatives who already own property, they are even more truly fucked.

      I moved out of home in 2016. I worked 2 days a week on the weekend while studying. I did not apply for Centrelink and managed to get by because I managed to find a pretty cheap place to rent.

      This shit is not possible today. And even in 2016 rent was already starting to become expensive I just got lucky.

      Housing is THE problem of our generation.

      I’ve managed to get “on the property ladder” but we’re quickly pulling it up behind us for many, many people.

      And the fact you think corporations, who clearly do not have humanity’s best interest at heart, will actually drive real wage growth, with AI, is frankly hilarious.

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      • Eyekaytee@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        yes but the housing crisis is a whole problem in and of itself not related to ai

        houses were unaffordable and increasingly unaffordable as you said years before chatgpt3.5 was even released

        somehow we have a larger population than ever, more immigrants than ever but still

        Mr Crost said Australia needed many more skilled tradespeople — including carpenters, electricians and plumbers — if it was to have any realistic hope of meeting the 1.2 million new homes goal.

        “We are currently 83,000 tradies short,” he said.

        www.abc.net.au/news/2025-08-06/…/105614902

        if we can get house prices back down i think we’d in far better nick than we were previously

        Post-war Australia posed its own set of challenges such as housing shortages, continued rationing, economic instability and general unrest.

        …com.au/…/1940s-houses-australia-21692/

        lol seems like some things never change

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• Taleya@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Translated how.

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  • Eyekaytee@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    aussie.zone/post/23393953

    like this, it allows gps to spend more time on the patient than writing up documentation

    www.heidihealth.com/au

    less time writing up documentation, more time spent helping patients and improving their lives, that’s a productivity boost

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    • Taleya@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      How does that translate to wages

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      • Eyekaytee@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        well when people are less sick, they can work longer, which means they can be more productive, which means they can make more money

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