Comment on ICE agents pointed guns at a US citizen when she walked out on to her yard to ask why they were arresting her (legal immigrant) partner.

• damnedfurry@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  his visa papers were taken away years ago and he’s been trying to get them back ever since – hence the “working towards legal citizenship”

  That’s not a “source”, that’s the quoted claim of his girlfriend:

  Celeste Hernandez, his significant other, said that although she doesn’t know the reason behind this, Arce has been in the process of getting his visa papers back after getting them taken away years ago.

  There has been no verification that that’s even accurate, and she is the furthest thing from an objective third party.

  Not to mention, “working towards legal citizenship” very strongly implies he was never a legal citizen before, or else why wouldn’t it say something like he was working toward ‘regaining’ citizenship, or mention that he ‘lost’ citizenship?

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  • destructdisc@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Not to mention, “working towards legal citizenship” very strongly implies he was never a legal citizen before, or else why wouldn’t it say something like he was working toward ‘regaining’ citizenship, or mention that he ‘lost’ citizenship?

    You know there are hundreds of thousands of permanent residents in the US who are not legal citizens, right? “Legal immigrant” doesn’t automatically translate to “citizen”.

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    • damnedfurry@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The 2005 deportation order, issued one year after his arrival in the US, makes me think that, somehow, he might not have been a lawful permanent resident.

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      • octopus_ink@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I hope you applied this same level of rigor to your analysis of the reports of Haitian immigrants in Ohio eating cats and dogs.

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    • thedruid@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      My wife is legal green card resident

      The poster you’re replying to doesn’t know a damn thing.

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  • shapesandstuff@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    But not born, tellingly enough

    then he wouldnt be an immigrant would he. jfc what are you talking about

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  • thedruid@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    How long have you worked for Trump?

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  • RecursiveParadox@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So my objective person: you are saying you believe the word of ICE (which conveniently we do not even have) over a published article? Neither should be taken at face value, but who do you think is more likely to be telling the truth?

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    • damnedfurry@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      So my objective person: you are saying you believe the word of ICE

      Skepticism of one account does not amount to endorsement of another.

      Neither should be taken at face value, but who do you think is more likely to be telling the truth?

      I don’t think there’s sufficient justification to assume on either side, but the fact is that because it’s the popular position, people are happy to take the side against ICE regardless of the circumstances, which is why this post exists in the first place.

      All I did was point out said lack of justification on that side, and try to find more information about a situation the linked article obviously wasn’t giving the whole picture for.

      No emotional response from me (though plenty of people here project their emotional response onto me, since they can’t fathom someone not eagerly believing whatever benefits their narrative without scrutiny, and so the slightest bit of scrutiny/skepticism of their narrative instantly becomes the assumption ‘you’re a foot soldier for the Bad Guys!’).

      That’s literally what objectivity is.

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