Comment on ICE agents pointed guns at a US citizen when she walked out on to her yard to ask why they were arresting her (legal immigrant) partner.

damnedfurry@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I really hope whoever gets in after Trump, if someone does, basically signs an EO saying all illegal citizens in the USA as of X date are now citizens. With all rights and privileges that conveys.

  If that were me, I’d disband ICE in it’s current form. They’d be reformed solely for customs enforcement. I’d only enforce immigration issues if and when an illegal immigrant was arrested and convicted of a felony.

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  • tlekiteki@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I hope Congress reclaims its power and EOs stop being a thing!

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• ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m reading replies to your message and I can’t figure out why people are coming at you so hard, except that they’re conflating you with a Trump supporter or sealion (which is obviously not true if they read your comments), and then just digging in.

  You specifically say that this is “fucked up,” but there doesn’t seem to be a genuine dispute that you are correct, there was a deportation order. Hence, not a “legal immigrant.” That sucks, it doesn’t mean that the arrest is legal, but it is an objective inaccuracy.

  I’m the absolute diametric opposite of a Trump supporter, but I agree we should use accurate words and facts.

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• Shiggles@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Hey buddy -

  Sane people don’t give a fuck if this fella is here legally, this is not okay behavior for a functioning society.

  The “opponents” are not engaging in good faith arguments in the first place.

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  • Grimy@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    False information is still false information. You could find a way to justify Fox News with those arguments.

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    • Shiggles@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The point is that that information is irrelevant to the issue at hand. But I may as well be arguing with a brick wall.

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      • Grimy@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        My uncle says the same thing about Hunter Bidens laptop. The fact is a the truth of the information is always relevant.

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      • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        If it was irrelevant why is it in the title?

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• destructdisc@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It says right there in the article that he “grew up in South Carolina”. Another source says his visa papers were taken away years ago and he’s been trying to get them back ever since – hence the “working towards legal citizenship”

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  • damnedfurry@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    his visa papers were taken away years ago and he’s been trying to get them back ever since – hence the “working towards legal citizenship”

    That’s not a “source”, that’s the quoted claim of his girlfriend:

    Celeste Hernandez, his significant other, said that although she doesn’t know the reason behind this, Arce has been in the process of getting his visa papers back after getting them taken away years ago.

    There has been no verification that that’s even accurate, and she is the furthest thing from an objective third party.

    Not to mention, “working towards legal citizenship” very strongly implies he was never a legal citizen before, or else why wouldn’t it say something like he was working toward ‘regaining’ citizenship, or mention that he ‘lost’ citizenship?

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    • RecursiveParadox@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So my objective person: you are saying you believe the word of ICE (which conveniently we do not even have) over a published article? Neither should be taken at face value, but who do you think is more likely to be telling the truth?

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      • damnedfurry@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        So my objective person: you are saying you believe the word of ICE

        Skepticism of one account does not amount to endorsement of another.

        Neither should be taken at face value, but who do you think is more likely to be telling the truth?

        I don’t think there’s sufficient justification to assume on either side, but the fact is that because it’s the popular position, people are happy to take the side against ICE regardless of the circumstances, which is why this post exists in the first place.

        All I did was point out said lack of justification on that side, and try to find more information about a situation the linked article obviously wasn’t giving the whole picture for.

        No emotional response from me (though plenty of people here project their emotional response onto me, since they can’t fathom someone not eagerly believing whatever benefits their narrative without scrutiny, and so the slightest bit of scrutiny/skepticism of their narrative instantly becomes the assumption ‘you’re a foot soldier for the Bad Guys!’).

        That’s literally what objectivity is.

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    • thedruid@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      How long have you worked for Trump?

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    • shapesandstuff@feddit.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      But not born, tellingly enough

      then he wouldnt be an immigrant would he. jfc what are you talking about

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    • destructdisc@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Not to mention, “working towards legal citizenship” very strongly implies he was never a legal citizen before, or else why wouldn’t it say something like he was working toward ‘regaining’ citizenship, or mention that he ‘lost’ citizenship?

      You know there are hundreds of thousands of permanent residents in the US who are not legal citizens, right? “Legal immigrant” doesn’t automatically translate to “citizen”.

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      • thedruid@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        My wife is legal green card resident

        The poster you’re replying to doesn’t know a damn thing.

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      • damnedfurry@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The 2005 deportation order, issued one year after his arrival in the US, makes me think that, somehow, he might not have been a lawful permanent resident.

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