Calling it cheating is about as dumb as when math teachers called calculators cheating. If everybody has access to a calculator that can process any division math problem you throw at it, learning how to do long division is suddenly not very useful.
salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
What a world, where students trying not to cheat is considered remarkable. We haven’t even had LLMs that long.
p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
zeca@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Learning to do things yourself is exercise for your brain. It doesnt matter that you wont apply that exact skill later, but being well exercised youll be fit to more easily solve problems in the future. Dont underestimate the destructive impact that outsourcing your cognition can have on you brain.
Asetru@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
The thing is that people get a calculator after they understood how the operations work and have mastered them.
With AIs, it’s the same. It’s not an issue if your teacher gives you an assignment that allows our requires you to use it. But using it despite not being allowed to is cheating. Same as the calculator.
Valmond@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
So you master the creation and development of the mobile phone PC?
It’s not a black and white issue IMO.
Asetru@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
The point still stands. If you get an assignment, you can use the tools that are allowed. If ai isn’t allowed, using it is cheating. It’s not a hard concept.
p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Exactly. There’s a finite amount of time available to teach somebody all of the useful skills needed to live life and build skills for a career.
Schools are no longer teaching cursive, or if they do, they don’t spend a lot of time on it. Same thing with all of the manual math operations. Learning algebra is more important. Hell, learning how to use a calculator is more important.
AnarchistArtificer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
When I was in high school, in the 2000s/2010s, our final maths exams included a calculator and a non calculator paper. As far as I’m aware, that’s still typical today. The advent of calculators required us to rethink our approach in teaching and setting tests in maths, but that doesn’t diminish the usefulness of learning long division.
Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Cheating is when you skip a part of the process, and when the process is there to help you learn something then you’re cheating yourself. It is the same as math teachers enforcing no-calculator rules. They weren’t doing it to be pointlessly strict. They were doing it to force you to excersice your brain. You need to know the processes they’re asking you to do. Once you know how, then you can use a calculator without missing out. Knowing the process is incredibly helpful in higher math, or in practical applications when you need to think of how to get to a desired result from what you have.
It’s like going to the gym and having a robot lift the weights for you. Sure, the reps got done but you didn’t actually get anything out of it. Is that useful or are you just wasting your time and money?
Valmond@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Lol you angered the anti-ai crowd!
salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
If you were looking for someone to validate your rationalized laziness and cheating, you know where to go.
Valmond@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Wow read the post I responded to, or are you too lazy for that?
IsaamoonKHGDT_6143@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Realistically, we learn these manual things by tradition and understand the basics. But in the working world that is automated and we only have to learn other things that are more important.
The Big Four accounting firms offer AI products.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
we only have to learn other things that are more important
Like which bins to search to find food, which bridges are best to seek refuge under…
9point6@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The standard degree course is 3-4 years
I think this year’s intake will be the first where everyone at the uni will be post-chatgpt.
Between the pandemic and LLMs, I honestly reckon my uni experience from the end of the 00s is completely alien to those doing it today