Comment on St. Paul, MN, was hacked so badly that the National Guard has been deployed

Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• derry@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Project manager: at least I can blame the vendor

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  • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Entirely seriously, yes.

    Most project managers I’ve ever met or known or worked with are basically incompetent technically, and very insecure / in denial about that, and thus vastly prefer the ‘safe’ option of someone else being responsible over the ‘risk’ of… hiring actual quality people that can make/support their own quality product.

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    • Saleh@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Did you consider that project managers often have to follow all sorts of company standards, have to figure out a way to get a dozen departments with conflicting standards together, on top of that have to catch the stupid ideas from the upper-management and marketing without telling the upper-management that they have no idea what they are talking about, on top of getting something actually done in the project?

      Because often the level of tech competency has very little to do with the decision corridor that the project manager has, given everything else.

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      • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yep.

        I’ve been one.

        Thats how I know what I am saying.

        Like you’re not even challenging what I’m saying really, you admit that most PMs are technically incompetent, because their job is mainly playing office politics.

        It didn’t used to be this way.

        And it still doesn’t have to be.

        A good PM is someone who actually knows their relevant field, and can also do some office politics, but much more importantly, is a responsible and helpful team leader.

        A person with only an MBA just has a degree in how to play office politics and gaslight people.

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• CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  🤣 should we get a list of foss projects that have had security issues?

  Stop this nonsense. You can hate Microsoft for legitimate reasons.

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  • toothpaste_ostrich@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I mean… For real, I’ve never heard of Linux systems being hacked this way. I’m sure it’s possible, but it certainly seems rarer.

    Slipping shit in upstream also certainly doesn’t happen "that* often. It takes effort to become recognised enough as a developer to be allowed access to the upstream code, meaning you can’t automate those kinds of attacks. (I imagine. Correct me if I’m wrong.)

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    • CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Absolute opposite. The majority of successful attacks you see today are identity management and supply chain attacks. If you walk into any OCIO office supply chain will be a top 3 concern.

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      • msage@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I know of one successful supply chain attack in FOSS.

        So still points for using it.

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      • toothpaste_ostrich@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I… Don’t understand what you said here 🫤

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    • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It does happen occasionally, from time to time, but, because everything is gasp open source, it tends to get caught, identified, blocked/quarantined and then fixed considerably more rapidly, with decent fallback instructions/procedures in that interim period.

      Also, you can basically describe the entire CrowdStrike fiasco as exactly this kind of upstream oopsie doopsie.

      Doesn’t really matter in the big picture if it was intentionally malicious or not, when you Y2K 1/4 of the world’s computer systems.

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      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Exactly.

        When there’s a high profile bug in an important FOSS project, everyone and their dog is looking for a fix. Usually it’ll be patched within days, if not hours, of being reported.

        When there’s a high profile bug in a closed size source project, the company backing it will deflect and delay until they’re forced to fix it, and they can sometimes get away with it for years or even decades.

        All software has bugs, which remain strategy do you prefer?

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  • disco@lemdro.id [bot] ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Microsoft is getting hacked every other week.

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    • CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      As well as FoSS projects.

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  • trolololol@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Mate have a look at the SharePoint vulnerability. It’s embarrassingly bad. Like really really bad, and btw so bad that it’s very easy to understand and exploit. And prevent too, if a jr in my team did this I’d get them in trouble.

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    • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      No no, you don’t get it.

      Random Windows ‘Powerusers’ obviously know more about programming and cybersecurity than people who actually do that for a living, duh!

      See, I wrote a bash file once, so I basically know everything about software dev, especially on linux as well, which is basically just the whole OS is powershell, right?

      /s/s/s

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