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But who are you tipping, really.

In the US, there is such thing as “tipped minimum wage”. So, federal minimum wage is $7.25/hour, but the employer may pay as little as $2,13/hour themselves if the worker makes up the rest with tips.

Most extreme in Delaware. Minimum wage is $15/hour, but minimum tipped wage is just $2.23, so up to $12.77/hour in tips can just be a discount to the employer.
Why do you think tips are being pushed so much in the US? Chart per jurisdiction: www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/…/tipped

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AndiHutch@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
And lots of employers will refuse to pay more than the tipped rate on slow days stealing wages from the workers if they think they can get away with it.

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- 11111one11111@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Jesus christ. No they dont. There’s more than enough dolts like you being employed in an unskilled trade industry for shit wages that has minimal overhead as it is so stealing your wage via tips would mean the restaurant is not going to be in business for long. Its not your employer’s job to babysit your paycheck. If you arent reporting discrepancies, thats on you. Noone is guna keep working at a place that isnt paying employees what their owed. Especially not in an industry where the wage floor is so low and the employment is so heavily driven by word of mouth.
  
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  - AndiHutch@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Why the hostility and insults to ~~unskilled~~ essential workers? Those jobs are often worked at by young workers who don’t necessarily know their rights. I agree it’s bad business practice to do it but it absolutely happens.
    
    Its not your employer’s job to babysit your paycheck.
    
    LOL Yes, it literally is.
    
    dolts like you … If you arent reporting discrepancies, thats on you
    
    Nice insult, very constructive. What would the capitalist business owners do without people like you putting down workers and defending their shitty business practices? Also ah yes it is the workers fault for that they are getting wages stolen from them not the owner’s or manager’s.
    
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    Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Got a love all the victim blaming going on in this thread right mate? I seriously don’t get these people who bend over backwards to lick capitalist boots.
    
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  - AndiHutch@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Also stealing wages via tips is different than not paying the difference between tipped min wage and regular minimum wage when there isn’t much business. Maybe there was some confusion on your part about what I was referring to there.
    
    Both are forms of wage theft and both do happen, but I wasn’t referring to stealing tips in my OC. Perhaps I could’ve worded my comment better to make that clearer.
    
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- Auth@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  You wish they did because then you’d have a easy lawsuit with plenty of lawyers willing to take that case. “lots of employers will refuse to pay” is a straight lie, employers are happy to pay the wage if you dont get any tips. Its still min wage and min wage is fuck all.
  
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  - AndiHutch@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    if they think they can get away with it.
    
    You missed this apparently.
    
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    Auth@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    If they think they can get away with it doesnt matter. Obviously the only people commiting wage theft are the ones who think they can get away with it. Its up to the employee to ensure they do not get away with it.
    
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  - Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Bud you think fraud doesn’t happen? How naive are you? Businesses will happily commit fraud if they think they can get away with it. And they do, routinely.
    
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    Auth@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Do you seriously think that I believe that fraud doesnt happen? What would give businesses the impression that they can commit fraud? Oh it would be people not suing the fuck out of them.
    
    If its a slow day and your employer doesnt pay you the legal min wage then you sue them. Its that simple. You dont turn around and act like getting no tips that day was the reason you made $2.
    
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TootSweet@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Are you thinking not tipping would magically transform a “tipped” position (that was subject to the minimum tipped wage) into a non-tipped position (that was subject to the normal minimum wage)? What’s the threshold? A particular percentage of transactions refraining from tipping? Under a specific dollar amount of tips per worker? The employer having to supplement the tips to get it up to the minimum tipped wage more than a certain percentage of the time? Are you sure “yeah, but there’s a blank on the receipt labeled ‘tip’, so theoretically the workers could get tips” isn’t enough to make the minimum tipped wage apply? Does it vary by jurisdiction?

Meanwhile, the real person behind the real counter of real coffee shops you like probably regularly skips meals to afford rent.

Even if what you’re suggesting could work, who’s to say they wouldn’t immediately replace it with some “gig economy” sort of alternative that would turn the workers into freelancers to whom no minimum wage applied?

Yes, advocate for worker rights, but don’t kid yourself that not tipping your servers is somehow doing them a favor.

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- Auth@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  It would actually magically transform it from a tipped position to a non tipped position. If you dont tip the server they still receive a legal min wage. If you tip the server all you’re doing is paying the employers share of that employees wage.
  
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  - Whostosay@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    No they don’t, at least in every single tipped position I’ve ever worked, which would be at least 20 different places.
    
    In reality what you’re doing is just fucking over the person working that position. I agree that the rules suck, but you’re not changing them by not tipping. Get involved in a way that will actually make a difference, and if you can’t afford to tip, just consider yourself unable to afford that particular service.
    
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    Auth@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Yes they do receive a min wage its just lower than what they receive through tips and thats why they dont want to get rid of it. Look at any other country for what happens when you dont tip. I will never tip out of principle.
    
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  - Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    You assume the business isn’t committing fraud by not reporting accurate tips and/or aren’t taking advantage of the naive and vulnerable by convincing them it is in their best interest to not report accurately.
    
    Wage theft is the largest and most common category of theft in the US, after all.
    
    The only real solution is a general strike of all wage staff that prevents these businesses from operating until things change. But that would require massive unionization efforts before it would even be remotely possible.
    
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    Auth@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    No. I am assuming that the business is committing fraud by misleading their employee into thinking their pay will remain $2 + tips even when their tips are below the min wage or the business is just paying $2 + tips instead of the legal min wage. The only thing being discussed here is the Fair Labor Standards Act. Everything else is random shit you’re making up to muddy the water.
    
    A general strike would be the best outcome for the business. All they have to do is say "ok things have changed we will pay you what you’re lawfully owed.
    
    Legal action the business could be fined 10k or more and the employee gets all lost wages + costs.
    
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0ndead@infosec.pub ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
This sounds like something a non-tipper would say

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