Are you thinking not tipping would magically transform a “tipped” position (that was subject to the minimum tipped wage) into a non-tipped position (that was subject to the normal minimum wage)? What’s the threshold? A particular percentage of transactions refraining from tipping? Under a specific dollar amount of tips per worker? The employer having to supplement the tips to get it up to the minimum tipped wage more than a certain percentage of the time? Are you sure “yeah, but there’s a blank on the receipt labeled ‘tip’, so theoretically the workers could get tips” isn’t enough to make the minimum tipped wage apply? Does it vary by jurisdiction?
Meanwhile, the real person behind the real counter of real coffee shops you like probably regularly skips meals to afford rent.
Even if what you’re suggesting could work, who’s to say they wouldn’t immediately replace it with some “gig economy” sort of alternative that would turn the workers into freelancers to whom no minimum wage applied?
Yes, advocate for worker rights, but don’t kid yourself that not tipping your servers is somehow doing them a favor.
AndiHutch@lemmy.zip 5 days ago
And lots of employers will refuse to pay more than the tipped rate on slow days stealing wages from the workers if they think they can get away with it.
11111one11111@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Jesus christ. No they dont. There’s more than enough dolts like you being employed in an unskilled trade industry for shit wages that has minimal overhead as it is so stealing your wage via tips would mean the restaurant is not going to be in business for long. Its not your employer’s job to babysit your paycheck. If you arent reporting discrepancies, thats on you. Noone is guna keep working at a place that isnt paying employees what their owed. Especially not in an industry where the wage floor is so low and the employment is so heavily driven by word of mouth.
AndiHutch@lemmy.zip 5 days ago
Why the hostility and insults to
unskilledessential workers? Those jobs are often worked at by young workers who don’t necessarily know their rights. I agree it’s bad business practice to do it but it absolutely happens.LOL Yes, it literally is.
Nice insult, very constructive. What would the capitalist business owners do without people like you putting down workers and defending their shitty business practices? Also ah yes it is the workers fault for that they are getting wages stolen from them not the owner’s or manager’s.
Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 5 days ago
Got a love all the victim blaming going on in this thread right mate? I seriously don’t get these people who bend over backwards to lick capitalist boots.
AndiHutch@lemmy.zip 5 days ago
Also stealing wages via tips is different than not paying the difference between tipped min wage and regular minimum wage when there isn’t much business. Maybe there was some confusion on your part about what I was referring to there.
Both are forms of wage theft and both do happen, but I wasn’t referring to stealing tips in my OC. Perhaps I could’ve worded my comment better to make that clearer.
Auth@lemmy.world 5 days ago
You wish they did because then you’d have a easy lawsuit with plenty of lawyers willing to take that case. “lots of employers will refuse to pay” is a straight lie, employers are happy to pay the wage if you dont get any tips. Its still min wage and min wage is fuck all.
AndiHutch@lemmy.zip 5 days ago
You missed this apparently.
Auth@lemmy.world 5 days ago
If they think they can get away with it doesnt matter. Obviously the only people commiting wage theft are the ones who think they can get away with it. Its up to the employee to ensure they do not get away with it.
Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 5 days ago
Bud you think fraud doesn’t happen? How naive are you? Businesses will happily commit fraud if they think they can get away with it. And they do, routinely.
Auth@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Do you seriously think that I believe that fraud doesnt happen? What would give businesses the impression that they can commit fraud? Oh it would be people not suing the fuck out of them.
If its a slow day and your employer doesnt pay you the legal min wage then you sue them. Its that simple. You dont turn around and act like getting no tips that day was the reason you made $2.