Since this is caused by activist pressure on the payment processors, perhaps a grassroots activist campaign of our own could change their mind. Especially if we threaten to stop using their services in favor of any competitor that allows all legal purchases.
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shneancy@lemmy.world 1 month ago
gamers, unironically, rise up. this isn’t going to end on niche porn games
Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Katana314@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Hopefully you’re referring to Visa/Paypal, not Itch.
One place that comes to mind is Verotel. I barely know them, but supposedly one of their star attributes is their use for adult businesses. Likely someone else knows them better.
pupbiru@aussie.zone 1 month ago
visa have similar restrictions… the issue is that payment processor, merchant, card network, issuing bank, and acquiring bank (and a few more) are all different layers to facilitating a transaction… there are very few card networks in the world, and essentially people pay online using mostly either just visa or mastercard
technically you could probably run a site that only accepts amex, diners club, jcb, discover, etc but it really wouldn’t go well: people want to whip out their card (often their only method of online payment) and just pay and go
you’d also need to find a payment processor that would be comfortable taking on the risk of facilitating transactions around mastercard and visa… they might just cut them off from access to their network
making things even more difficult is that by law in the US payment processors must offer at least 3 (i think? it might be 2?) “routes”, so you probably have to have a pretty mature payment processor because they’d have to accept several of the alternative card networks
oh and you have to push various stats to the federal reserve which is a massive back and forth bureaucratic challenge even above the technical challenge of interfacing with some pretty awful systems
there are a buuuuunch of other spanners that get thrown into the works, but i’m not sure where the NDA line hits so i’m gonna just leave it there and say trust me, payment processing is an absolute nightmare mess
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I’m not sure that works, like on a purely game theory level. If gamers start to apply pressure, threaten to stop buying games, the stores need to make a choice:
A. Risk facing the wrath of the games, sales are likely to drop. Possibly by a lot, perhaps 15-20%. That could keep up for months before stabilizing.
B. Risk facing the wrath of the payment processors, credit card sales will stop immediately, only alternative payment types get through. Sales drop by 80% and that will continue indefinitely.
While both of those options are bad, one of them is totally fatal to their business.
Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
I meant pressing the payment processors, like those prude activists are.
skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I find it offensive that the only effective way to combat this is to fight fire with fire and also make a big bitchy noise about this like the conservatives love to do. I have better things I would rather be doing with my life. But such are the times we live in I suppose.
SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 1 month ago
How do I tell politely in a letter to MasterCard, that if I want to buy a horse dildo it's only MY fucking business?
shneancy@lemmy.world 1 month ago
buy a horse dildo with bitcoin and flaunt how they didn’t get any money from your transaction? idk man, i’m good at vague ideas, specifics are harder
MITM0@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Any games with even mild nudity is next (like Nier)
ssroxnak@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yep, then lgbtq games, then games with guns, then games with blood, so on and so on
XeroxCool@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Are you sure gun and violence culture is on the chopping block? In the American market?
hibsen@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It absolutely is. We only encourage gun and violence culture in real life, especially by authoritarian figures and their representatives. Allowing such in virtual spaces where no one can actually be hurt or killed runs counter to our patriotic ideals.
ssroxnak@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The big payment processors won’t let you buy firearm parts
troglodyke@lemmy.federate.cc 1 month ago
It absolutely is, it’s naive to think these puritans will just decide to stop here
Xande@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
GUNS are you nuts… Murican “morale” apostles might have infuenced the media worldwide, but if you take away guns… you lose Murica!
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Activision, EA, Ubisoft, etc. would never let that happen.
Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Neighbors being kidnapped: I sleep
Taking my fetish games: Real Shit
shneancy@lemmy.world 1 month ago
most of the world isn’t american. we can’t do anything about your government
Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Capitalism is a global problem, its not contained to america. Replace neighbors being kidnapped with which ever country you’re in supporting a genocide and it still fits, and is likely accurate unless you’re like in Yemen.
DeLacue@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It’s already expanded. It started as going after “rape and incest” but now it’s all adult games. But a bunch of lgbtq games have already gotten hit. I am beyond furious.
Gloomy@mander.xyz 1 month ago
Shit. Would you provide a source please?
shneancy@lemmy.world 1 month ago
i don’t know if any source has caught up yet, but a few days ago it was indeed just taboo kink games that were being targeted, now it seems all of itch.ios NSFW games are disappearing
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I think all games being hit is a temporary measure while they get some sort of new process in place. We’ll see where things land.
Either way, card processing companies shouldn’t be dictating what kind of art consumers can to consume, even if I don’t personally agree with the content of some of the worst offenders. If it’s not outright illegal, they can fuck off.
RandomVideos@programming.dev 1 month ago
Isnt that addressed in the post?
belluck@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Here’s one example I came across on Bluesky
belluck@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Direct link to the game because the creator restricted who can view their posts on Bsky. Only viewable via a link or from their profile now, searching the name only returns a bunch of other dress-up games, but not this one, presumably because of the „Transgender“ tag.
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It’s gonna stop once they hit a category that includes big AAA games. Once they start cutting into the revenue of Call of Duty or Assassin’s Creed the big developers should take a stance.
Baylahoo@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I’ve already seen a pretty big YouTuber cover that they are targeting GTA 6 now. It was either moistcritical or mudahar