Comment on How come nobody does anything about North Korea?

• napkin2020@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I fully agree that a lot of the shittalk about them is exaggerated and ill-informed. They don’t execute people for having wrong haircut (dyeing can get you into some trouble), no, I do not believe that.

  People live there. It’s certainly not nationwide Auschwitz as you might think.

  But they also execute/punish people(and their family members) for trying to leave the country for good or talk shit about their supreme leader. I don’t know you but if that’s not a red flag I seriously don’t know what is.

  They execute generals all the time, then the generals appear alive a few months later. That’s that mystical Juche necromancy for ya.

  Can’t get all the shit right, yes. Doesn’t make their countless crimes-against-humanity testimonies and proofs any less valid.

  But I’m very sure that you are going to say all the defectors and reporters are liars and parrot all the wild cringe tankie shit that no less than 14 should you have outgrown and that’s fine. You do you. I hope someday you can make a personal visit to North Korea and leave the horrific, capitalistic hellhole of a society the West is.

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  • jerkface@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    If you are an American, eat what’s on your plate before you worry about NK.

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    • napkin2020@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      1. I’m Korean.

      2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

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      • jerkface@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        It’s not a tu quoque when NK isn’t hurting anyone and the Americans are burning down the fucking planet.

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• Lemminary@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Why do .ml’s get so triggered with this topic? And y’all invariably paint NK as these absolute saints when we know what totalitarian regimes do and have done throughout the ages.

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  • nomotetoads@lemmings.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Why would anybody who get called a tankies triggered about a bunch of libs openly talking about sending litteral tanks to a sovereign country? Jeez I don’t know

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    • Lemminary@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Your reply doesn’t really follow the conversation. This is tangential to the main thread. We’re talking about how we present and defend information as a meta commentary on these threads, and not how the invasion of a totalitarian country upsets some folks.

      Also, did you just make an account to participate in this thread? Your account is brand spankin’.

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      • nomotetoads@lemmings.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Whine harder, tankie. Maybe we will send tanks to north korea. Will you be happy then?

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  • SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    When you recognize the amount of bullshit propoganda that is consumed daily and realize how false it all is it’s very easy to switch to “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” mode.

    Additionally it’s harder to break others (and oneself) out of the propoganda soup without an extremely sharp distinction between the lies being spoonfed and the material reality. The material reality often ends up getting distorted as a result and the cycle continues.

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    • Lemminary@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I fully support the idea that we have a problem with bias in the news and people profiting from scandals, and we also don’t need to downplay what the government does. We can push back against misinformation without accidentally bootlicking.

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      • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Let’s just review this conversation, shall we? What the other person said was:

        Do you seriously believe they execute ppl for having the same haircut as Kim? And then execute ppl for having a different haircut from him?

        They execute generals all the time, then the generals appear alive a few months later. That’s that mystical Juche necromancy for ya.

        So, that’s two examples of egregious misinformation that they pushed back on. How did you respond?

        And y’all invariably paint NK as these absolute saints

        We can push back against misinformation without accidentally bootlicking.

        The reason we “”“bootlick”“” and “”“treat them as absolute saints”“” is that you chatacterize any attempt to push back on blatant misinformation as “”“bootlicking.”“” So no, it is impossible push back on misinformation without “bootlocking,” because, by your standards, anything short of uncritically accepting every bad thing said about a US rival (that is, anything short of actual bootlicking towards the US) counts as “bootlicking.”

        If I’m wrong, then show me what in their comment led you to conclude that they were bootlicking, aside from refuting misinformation.

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      • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        We can push back against misinformation without accidentally bootlicking.

        Can you? You don’t’ seem to be able to.

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      • SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        We can push back against misinformation without accidentally bootlicking.

        It depends entirely on how you define “accidentally bootlicking” because I think OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml has done an excellent job of calling out how you have been making that distinction.

        Taking a step back and decontextualizing how do you think one should make that distinction?

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  • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Why do .ml’s get so triggered with this topic?

    Because we’ve seen what the real life effect of this kind of mindless jingoism and chauvinism is; millions killed by American bombs.

    And y’all invariably paint NK as these absolute saints

    No, .worlders just can’t stop themselves from strawmanning.

    we know what totalitarian regimes do and have done throughout the ages.

    That’s an absurdly broad generalization, and one I’m going to present as proof that you see things in a cartoonish “good guys vs bad guys” framing.

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