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kautau@lemmy.world 1 month agoYeah lemmy is mostly a left echo chamber, which is generally a net positive. But someone like my cousin who still gets their news from Facebook but might want to protest now they are thinking about their views would benefit from this journalism
Soggy@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Eh, it’s a center-left chamber at best. As evidenced by the extreme reaction to the far-left echo chambers.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Disagree, it’s pretty far left.
You refer to .ml, but that’s not really left, it’s a tankie instance, which is closer to fascism than socialism. I see far more people on Lemmy idolizing communism/socialism than any other extreme ideology.
Soggy@lemmy.world 1 month ago
You’re oversimplifying (and so was I, to be totally fair). The Reddit exodus has lots of reasons. I think it has more to do with one’s thoughts on corporatization and technocultural knowledge which does correlate with left-leaning politics. I’m sure there are many who are just sick of platforms giving Trumpists tacit approval (I think this is the primary driver for people leaving twitter) but that Venn diagram is not a perfect circle.
.ml has tankies, and there’s plenty of fair criticism to direct at Dessalines and the mod team for generally cultivating a culture of knee-jerk anti-Western thought (and the inverse, more importantly) but it’s not “closer to fascism” because it leans authoritarian and drapes itself in USSR/CCP aesthetic. But it’s mostly a FOSS instance with well-deserved bashing of US imperialism and state-sponsored terrorism.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Tankies are pretty close to fascism, and tend to support regimes like in Russia the same as regimes in China. For them, the motivation doesn’t seem as motivated by economics as itvi government structure, since modern Russia is very far from socialist ideals. Basically, anything that goes against US interests is the priority, not economics as it would for your average socialist.
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I just hate their app and refuse to use it
Gsus4@mander.xyz 1 month ago
Democratic market socialism is a perfectly moderate ideology. You can also consider weekends, paid leave, women’s vote as socialist policies. It is one of the main political currents founding the EU and South America. Only in the US is it used to describe radicals or as a swearword.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Sure, democratic socialism is center left, I’m talking about actual socialism, which gets promoted here quite a bit. Reddit was mostly dem socs and welfare state proponents, Lemmy takes it a bit further.
Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
It depends on where you draw the line for “the center.” I’d probably agree it’s leftist for America, but it’s center-left on a global scale. You’ll usually get some push back if you promote true leftist politics. Usually more agreement than dissent, but still some.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Sure, the US does skew right. I do think Lemmy is pretty far left even compared to areas like Europe that are further left from the US. It’s kind of hard to gauge whether people are serious about things like “guillotine the rich” (or Luigi references) or exaggerating, but you don’t see that type of talk on popular subreddits (even before the crackdown), at least I didn’t, and coming to Lemmy was a bit of a shift left from what I already saw as “center left.”
I am a bit left of center in the US and pretty centrist on a global scale, and I lean fairly libertarian. I’m left of most libertarian candidates in the US, supporting things like UBI as an alternative to welfare programs. So I think I have a decent perspective on what’s left and right.
Gigasser@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Aren’t the devs of Lemmy Marxist leninist or something and .ml is one of their instances?
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
That’s what they claim, but their moderation practices feel a lot more on the tankie spectrum than marxist leninist.
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I left because of the api changes and the excessive censorship (rip r/watchpeopledie my beloved) and it’s general hatred towards ita mobile website
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
The API changes were the last straw for me too, but I had been searching for a while because it felt very much like an echo-chamber. Lemmy does too, but at least the API is open.
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
By “far-left” you mean the pro-Russia and pro-China segment of this place? They seem more like government mouthpiece than people who actually support leftist policies (which don’t represent the policies of the Russian or Chinese government).
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 month ago
also calling people blue maga is very disengenious, they arnt right wingers so please dont associate with them.
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
They certainly are right-wingers when the support candidates and policies that are wholly right wing. I don’t care if they think they’re leftists just because they’re voting Democrat. They’re just deluding themselves. This is the origin of the adage “the road to hell is paved with good intentions.” The Democrats haven’t represented the left in decades.
enbipanic@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Wat
Soggy@lemmy.world 1 month ago
If this were a lefty echo chamber people wouldn’t hate .ml but they do.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Idolizing authoritarian governments isn’t “left” no matter how much they might think it is.
a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
You ignore 50% of the political compass here - authoritarianism sucks just as much as fascism or unbridled capitalism.
Gsus4@mander.xyz 1 month ago
If .ml were a lefty echo chamber people wouldn’t hate hexbear, but they do.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 month ago
the so-called left wing one are usually the ones we block , but they seem more like right wingers.