Comment on Firefox is fine. The people running it are not

neuracnu@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

• TimewornTraveler@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I’m not looking for a hero, I’m looking for stability.

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  • hanke@feddit.nu ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Did you read the thing?

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    • qaz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      The fact that it’s claiming to be stable doesn’t mean it is

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      • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Currently, it’s pretty shit. It starts up in fullscreen with a non managed window, well, fuck that noise.

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• cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  the ladybird devs have a history of major transphobia though

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  • neuracnu@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I think this may be the issue to which you are referring:

    hyperborea.org/reviews/…/ladybird-inclusivity/

    While this is troubling to read about, this narrative’s lack of evidence or references keep me from accepting it at face value. Old mastodon chatter (and perhaps deleted posts or scuttled instances) may be difficult to retrieve, but GitHub discussions shouldn’t be hard to find.

    So I’m withholding judgement for the moment.

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    • cygnus@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      You don’t consider it rather exclusionary to imply that only men use computers?

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      • GreenKnight23@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        at one point or another we all have a penis in us.

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  • NotAnonymousAtAll@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    some context and/or link would help for everyone who just learned about this project and knows nothing about the devs

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    • fuzz@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I’ll just copy a comment I made a while back. It was about the usage of “he” instead of gender neutral pronouns in the documentation:

      So I looked further into this, and while I found awesomekling’s comment to be a cause of concern, I’m hoping it’s a cultural misunderstanding due to his Swedish background.

      That comment is from 3 years ago, and since then there was a commit merged, that had the sole purpose of fixing these pronouns.

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      • cygnus@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        I’m hoping it’s a cultural misunderstanding due to his Swedish background.

        Jag pratar inte Svenska but I know enough that it has gendered pronouns just like English. Actually, it’s better than English in that it preserved the neuter singular pronoun (which used to be “thou” in English)

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    • cygnus@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      There was a pull request to change “he” to “they” somewhere in the code and the dev refused, saying people should leave “their politics” out of it. I wouldn’t say it’s transphobic specifically - it may also be misogynistic. Either way, it doesn’t look good.

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      • lime@feddit.nu ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        i can offer some context to that, but first let’s clear up that all the documentation has since been updated to use second-person pronouns, making it both friendlier and gender neutral. kling is fully on-board with that change.

        the issue came in right after the big wave of people doing drive-by “code of conduct” PRs. there was a plague of accounts that only did that, and had no other connections to either projects or people. this is obviously a form of political activism, and while it’s not malicious, it does get in the way for volunteer developers of big open-source projects who are usually already swamped with work they’re not paid for. so creating these giant documents that have not been pre-discussed with the team doing the project is disruptive and misguided. having a code of conduct is good, but it needs to match the project.

        anyway, in the middle of this a big PR comes in which changes shitloads of documentation. the standard PR view doesn’t show each change, it just shows “n files changed, +n lines -n lines”, and a description talking about “gender-neutral language”. now, kling is not a “typical” developer. he’s a former addict who started doing serenity and ladybird as therapy/rehab. i don’t know what that’s like, but i imagine it means you don’t have a lot of mental overhead for things you don’t want to do. so kling saw the description and the massive change set and didn’t want to deal with it.

        it took a while but he was convinced. if he had not, i would not be as charitable.

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  • GreenKnight23@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    with a project named ladybird you’d think otherwise.

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I suppose, unless you’ve watched King of the Hill.

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  • dzso@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    If that’s true, shame on them. But it doesn’t mean their browser isn’t good.

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    • pupbiru@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      it’s not at all true… it was misunderstanding that people seemed to have blown way out of proportion without understanding context, and now they have A+ policies in place

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  • 0x0@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Right, so what does that have to do with ladybird

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• infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Why not just run a community build of Firefox, like IceCat?

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  • iopq@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    If Firefox doesn’t keep up with web standards, neither will any of the forks

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    • lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Cold take: we need to stop chasing web Standards that are purposefully set up by big corpo to be exlusionary.

      What we need, what Firefox could hope to be, is a browser developed for a new old internet paradigm. Maybe Gopher, or Gemini (the good one). Alternatively a purposefully reduced HTML+CSS, no JS.

      Trim down the fat so that it is actually possible to finance the development of a web engine an browser without leeching on a dick corpo (and sabotagong open internet in the process).

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• lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Question. Does it have uBO or an equivalent yet?

  Without it, it’ll simply not be internet-ready.

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• rfr_Foglia@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Why the downvotes??

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