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hitmyspot@aussie.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

I’ve got 2 kids in primary school. We teach them to be kind and caring, that cheaters never win. That bullies are bullies because they are not happy.

However a study came out that compared bullies and non bullies. Bullies kids are more likely to be successful financially and socially based on studies. I was sad for humanity when o found out.

It makes sense, in the same way that it makes sense that CEO’s are more likely to be sociopaths. Human brains are made for small societies. When it’s a larger society, negative traits can be helpful to get ahead. It’s likely part of the reason we experience wars and famine and billionaires.

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blarghly@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Or the other option: all kids are equally capable of being dicks to each other. It just depends who has social capital. Kids who have the traits necessary to gain social capital - intelligence, athleticism, attractiveness, confidence, etc - end up on top of the social hierarchy in school and also end up going farther in life.

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- hitmyspot@aussie.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Theoretically, all people are capable of being president, but I ky very few get there, irrespective of ability.
  
  You’re right about their attributes being a guide. I reckon it’s down to the confidence, more than anything. Bullys are typically seen as acting out due to their own insecurity. However, the skills learned in putting themselves above others likely helps to achieve personal goals. It’s likely similar for attractive people and confidence. Confidence is a drug that affects other people.
  
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TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The human brain really seems to be built for small communities. Once the village you live in is bigger than about 150 people, all sorts of weird things begin to happen. Some people no longer feel like they’re a part of the same group as everyone else. They begin to feel like they can get away with anything, maybe even steal something, or hurt other people. Being greedy doesn’t feel wrong any more, altruism feels like a weakness etc.

I’ve been thinking about these things, and I’ve come to the conclusion that the world we live in is not optimized for the human mind or physiology. We’ve specifically designed a world that is bad for us in a number of ways.

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TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I was curious about the studies. The only thing I came across about outcomes was this BMJ review that says:

Bullies were more likely to have trouble keeping a job and honouring financial obligations. They were more likely to be unemployed.

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- TheReanuKeeves@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  They’re probably referring to this study
  
  …com.au/…/25305-bullies-earn-more-later-in-life-w….
  
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olafurp@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’d also want to see the same methodology when assessing being happy, have many close friends you can trust etc.

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- blarghly@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  And also how they assessed “being a bully”
  
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brachiosaurus@mander.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

successful financially and socially

Going around with a machete makes you more successful predator. Being successful financially doesn’t mean shit and neither does having followers on social media.

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- datavoid@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Believe it or not, social interaction isn’t limited to social media. Or so I’ve been told…
  
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  - brachiosaurus@mander.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Lies and manipulation do not lead to good social interactions.
    
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Saleh@feddit.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
That is unless the bully messes with the wrong person and gets the shit beaten out of them.

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- TheReanuKeeves@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  And then they become adults and find different ways to mess with people, hire bodyguards, expensive lawyers, group up with other corrupt people who find joy in people suffering, shit in their diapers under their suit, etc.
  
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