Comment on [Video] BBC cuts away during pro-Palestine musicians Kneecap. The followup act Bob Vylan invents a new chant on live TV

possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• brendansimms@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You have it backwards. The IDF are carrying out a genocide. So an analogy to the WWII-era would be like if Cab Calloway chanted ‘Death, Death to the Nazi SS’ , and then you’re comment (on our fictional 1940’s internet forum) would say “Cmon guys, this seems problematic because it can easily expand to target all German people”.

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• verdigris@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The IDF is a military force actively engaged in ethnic cleansing and genocide. Israel itself is a colonist state that only exists thanks to constant violence threatened and perpetrated by its military and the US. It is not in any way antisemitic to criticize these entities up to and including advocating for their dissolution. Anyone who takes this valid criticism and turns it into “Jews Bad” is either incapable of understanding the complexity of the issues here, is a bad faith actual anti-Semite looking for an excuse, or has fallen for the ubiquitous state propaganda that has been conditioning this exact response.

  States and militaries are not culture. Nationalism is not identity. Fascism must be dismantled whatever form it takes.

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• storm@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  No, the actually antisemitic claim is that Israel and the IDF are representative of Judaism and/or Jewish people. They are fascist organizations and the conflation of these groups with Jewish people at large (a narrative pushed by Israel and their allies) is what endangers them

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• TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  He didn’t call for the death of Israel.

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• rozodru@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  so if I say “death to Nazi’s” by your logic, you’d have issues with that. Saying “Death to Nazi’s” could easily expand target to all Germans, All white people, or hell at this point All Americans.

  see how flawed your logic is?

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• Scavenger_Solardaddy@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  🤡

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• neons@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  No, you’re not. This is generally classified as antisemitic. But for a multitude of reasons people don’t care or even see it as a good thing. Reasons including:

  • Decades of being told that there’s always a good side in war (there rarely is, I can only think of ukraine in this century and WW2 in - the last century),
  • being propagandized into warthirsty “patriots”,
  • being radicalized during covid,
  • getting radicalized by (a)social media

  you get the idea

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• reddit_sux@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  They are just calling for the death of the SS and SA not Germans Israeli or Jews in general. Sorry thought this was 1933.

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