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carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago“heteronormative” doesn’t mean “it’s the fault of straight people” are you serious
if you don’t know a word, you can just look it up yknow
“heteronormative” doesn’t mean “it’s the fault of straight people” are you serious
But does “heteronormative bullshit” imply that?
What if they’d said “I’m tired of this homosexual bullshit that glitter goes everywhere?”
That definitely reads as “I believe it’s the fault of the queer people” to me, do you believe otherwise?
Heteronormative != heterosexual
I fail to see any issue with the post (like fucking everyone associates topping with dom that doesn’t mean it has to be, and the image works), but it’s decidedly a complaint about social norms rather than a group.
I understand heteronormative to be about social norms centered around heterosexuality, and how that is the dominant cultural factor.
With that understanding, viewing things through a heteronormative lens is to exclude the views of non-heterosexual folks.
Then “heteronormative bullshit” is comparable to “heterosexual bullshit”.
I might’ve missed some nuance - this is not my forte. However my naive understanding is that saying this was commentary on “cultural norms” is similar to saying to civil war was about “states rights”. States rights to do what? (Slavery) Cultural norms centered around what? (Heterosexuality)
Hmm, as someone relatively deep into lgbtq issues (particularly trans issues), I’d say the term itself is perhaps a bit misleading. The way I understand it and see it used is that it’s about heterosexuality and also gender norms within that traditional heterosexual relationship. In that sense (to directly relate to the post) a dominant woman in a relationship with a submissive man would actually go against heteronormativity.
On second thought I guess I can see the relation though, in the sense that the traditional “man is dominant in a hetero relationship” combined with the fact that by default most men probably mostly top could make someone see “topping is considered dominant” to reinforce those traditional relationship norms. Still feels very overreactive by the original commenter but eh.
Deceptichum@quokk.au 1 day ago
You're the only person here saying that.
carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
and you’re the only one claiming ryedaft was “complaining about an entire group of people based on sexuality”
Deceptichum@quokk.au 1 day ago
Oh please, it's clearly obvious there is nothing heteronormative about hetero people to use topping to mean something else. Peoples having a different meaning is not the same as enforcing themselves as the default, it's not even tangentially related.
anzo@programming.dev 1 day ago
Fwiw, I’m hetero and having a girl on top feels like they have more, if not all, control.
I never subscribed to homosexual dichotomy of tops and bottoms. Long ago, I learnt that there were “active” and “passive” roles.
I guess it’s generational. Like “old” terms that sound antique or even “wrong”.