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throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

Humans didn’t even have the technology to observe most of the eletromagnegtic spectrum for like practically all of human history apart from the recent hundred of years or so, bold of you to assume there isn’t higher form of techology that’s undetectable to us. I mean, the North Sentinese and other uncontacted tribes around the world still can’t even fanthom that we are talking to each other using radiowaves in the air.

There is this sci-fi novel called Three Body Problem and

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the aliens used a high tech AI supercomputer called the “Sophons” that can be invisible to humans and are spying on Earth in order to plan for an invasion. Humans only figured out after scientists started dying, seemingly mysteriously.

Its sci-fi, but like, they could just take advantage of the tech we already have and hack our servers to gather data, and even if humans figure it out about the hacking, they would just think it was human criminal and its just labeled as a “databreach”. (Who knows, maybe one of the databreaches are actually just aliens gathering data.)

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remon@ani.social ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

bold of you to assume there isn’t higher form of techology that’s undetectable to us.

I think it’s very unlikely that there will ever be a technology that can get around fundamental laws of nature, like entropy.

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- thevoidzero@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Same way people in the past probably said there’s no way you can make anything work without a mechanical mechanism? Can you imagine what an electronic device/chip would look to someone from far past? People thought humans couldn’t fly.
  
  Those “fundamental science” is just us making sense of the universe in a way we can observe it and even then we don’t know everything. Can you imagine how different the universe looks if you just shift the electro magnetic waves you can see.
  
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  - remon@ani.social ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    Same way people in the past probably said there’s no way you can make anything work without a mechanical mechanism?
    
    No, I don’t think it’s comparable. We’ve figured out most of the big picture, not it’s mostly just filling in gaps here and there and making correction. I doubt there is an entire new force or field hiding that would allow completley undetectable communications from us. Maybe you could do something with neutrinos, we’re quite bad at detecting them for now.
    
    Can you imagine how different the universe looks if you just shift the electro magnetic waves you can see.
    
    Yeah, I’ve looked through an infred camera and seen pictures from x-ray telescopes. We can do that.
    
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    Zexks@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Lmao. I’ve heard that one before. Almost 200 year ago in fact.
    
    4gravitons.com/…/in-defense-of-lord-kelvin-michel….
    
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