Me neither, this is actually disgusting, immediately uninstalled, a founder that has these views most likely shouldn’t be trusted with your data, anyway.
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Lazycog@sopuli.xyz 2 days ago
SimpleX Chat – Many suggested this and I will explicitly recommend against it due to the founder’s positions on various topics. This includes being anti-vaxx, believing COVID-19 was a hoax, trans- and homophobia, climate denial; In the SimpleX Groupchat he’s also been seen basically bootlicking trump a couple times, but I’ve lost receipts to that.
I did not know this. I’ve seen people recommend SimpleX on lemmy too, but probably they didn’t know.
astute@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 day ago
This should be an awareness post on some tech communities
penguin202124@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Thank you so, so, so, so much for saying this!
kayky@thelemmy.club 1 day ago
Is that it? We stop using better programs because we disagree with the creator’s views?
What a disgusting, childish world some of these people live in.
“I was going to buy that house, but the owner’s views made me reconsider.”
vga@sopuli.xyz 6 hours ago
Yes, unfortunately that is the current reality. Note also the subtle hints this article points to: if you disagree with any of the tenents of our clique, you’re borderline evil. In this case, Matrix uses capitalism as a tool, which implies it is evil.
vga@sopuli.xyz 2 days ago
Although I don’t oppose judging people because of their views, I wonder if software written by such people should be.
drspod@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
This attitude has worked so well for allowing the current crop of tech billionaires to grow and cement their influence over the entire world. If people would just stop using their platforms when they hear the CEO’s batshit views then they would be nobodies.
unhrpetby@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
The SimpleX Chat is AGPL. If the founder is problematic, one could fork it and avoid reinventing what has already been made.
drspod@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
go on then
ideonek@piefed.social 2 days ago
Are you asking if I insist that the minds behind my secure private chat have some moral standing and common sense? One would hope so. I wouldn't trust encryption made by anti-vaxer more than I would trust a plane put tougher by flat-earther. I don't want to be the hero of the next leopard eat my face song.
vga@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
I wouldn’t trust encryption made by anti-vaxer
My understanding of encryption is that the point is that you don’t have to trust the people doing it. You just have to trust the security researchers that proved that the algorithms/protocols work.
Also, my understanding of people is that what they look like right now, today, is no evidence for what kind of people they really are.
astute@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
It’s a tricky line. On one hand, I agree that you don’t need to trust the person—just the code and the cryptographic model. But at the same time, if the dev is actively pushing misinformation or has a history of hostility toward marginalized groups, it erodes my confidence in their ethical choices about security and privacy. Trust isn’t just technical.
ideonek@piefed.social 1 day ago
On the other hand, when people show they who they really are... you should believe them. There are some views that are either ignorant or bad will. I think evidence of those is a reasonable deal-breaker. And it's perfectly ok if you have your line drown somewhere else as well.
unhrpetby@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
…that proved that the algorithms/protocols work.
You can use a perfect algorithm and still be insecure because the implementation was bad. You are trusting the SimpleX Chat devs to a degree.
unhrpetby@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
I wouldn’t trust encryption made by anti-vaxer more than…
Important to note: SimpleX Chat has gone through two security audits.
Lazycog@sopuli.xyz 2 days ago
Views that seriously harm or endanger other people are dangerous.
If the founder would have opposing views in e.g. should we narrow down the car roads in cities and widen the pedestrian walks - ok. I think there’s a lot to this question, I think pedestrian walks should be wider, cars are dangerous, etc. But this is not as dangerous as:
“Do you deny scientific evidence that COVID is real and a real danger to a lot of humans”
Ofiuco@piefed.ca 1 day ago
Fuck... Is there an alternative?
Can't use telegram cus banned, won't use signal because usa and for a while they got very buddy-buddy with the zucc, matrix requires me hosting and it isn't exactly private... So what's left?vga@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
Well… Matrix. I don’t think it requires self-hosting? It’s E2EE and there are plenty of public servers.
LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Honestly, I get why one would be discouraged by signal, but as long as your threat model is not “NSA and mossad have a price on my head”, I think it is still the best non-federated alternative. I’d rather take a flawed messenger with well regarded encryption than a beta version that nobody with time and crypto knowledge ever looked at.
Lazycog@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
The write-up I’m referencing has some at the end. Maybe Delta chat?
penguin202124@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
XMPP?
Ofiuco@piefed.ca 1 day ago
That last part is the "problem", I just need something to text and send memes and files, but convincing the people around me to leave animations and stickers behind would be impossible.
belit_deg@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’ve been using Keet for a couple of months now, really like it. Still in beta, but you can ask questions to the devs in the open chat rooms and they actually give you sound answers
Ofiuco@piefed.ca 21 hours ago
Which one of those is closer to what Telegram brings to the table?
Mostly pretty stuff like gifs/mp4/webm with alpha, stickers, animated stickers and handling things like webp/webm, self-destructing multimedia, chats that dissapear after X time... maybe groups and channels too, adding people by alias instead of phone number (maybe qr, but not a huge link like the one SimpleX uses).You know, things that could help me to bring my "friends" and family on board or at least to give it a try.
belit_deg@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Just try and see for yourself. Like I said, only tried Keet. Features
- Share files as big as you like, 2m, 2g, 2t, doesn’t matter
- Windows, linux, ios, android
- Groups, dm’s, broadcast feed
- No phone number or email needed, add by alias/link/qr
- Unlimited call quality since theres no server in between or throttling
- Share emojis, gifs, videos (no stickers or self-destruct atm)
kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com 1 day ago
why does matrix require you self hosting? There’s a bunch of free open-signup servers available
Ofiuco@piefed.ca 21 hours ago
Because Matrix isn't exactly private since it's meant to be a Discord clone and I share piracy among my friends and family, or for the sexy times with my friends, I need something that at least has self-destructing messages or chats where messages dissapear after some time.
I could trust it if I could self-host, but I lack the hardware (disk space, mostly) and the availability (I can't leave my pc on all the time [also I live in México, the internet is terrible and I tend to hog it if I'm downloading something]), so I'd have to trust some random yahoo with my stuff but it wouldn't have what I'm looking for anyway.
JadedBlueEyes@programming.dev 3 hours ago
Electric is not a discord clone and element has a customer base more similar to slack. And to end encrypted direct messages have been the default for years now in Matrix.
kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com 21 hours ago
matrix isn’t meant to be a discord clone, the matrix project is actually older than discord. the chats in all major clients are end-to-end encrypted now, too. are you maybe thinking of revolt?
Jaberw0cky@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Take a look at Delta chat? I can’t find a fault with it yet…
unhrpetby@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
It is forkable if necessary. I do think SimpleX is a great piece of software that shouldn’t be reinvented because of the founder.
Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
So happy the article linked to the Fediverse post, immediately liked and boosted it.
Never used SimpleX much really but will be immediately uninstalling it. Saw the guy’s tweets, he’s fucking insane, and retweets RFK Jr 🤢. Will do my best to inform others.