3.5% of the people work all the time if you cherry pick your data.
sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
“There weren’t any campaigns that had failed after they had achieved 3.5% participation during a peak event,” says Chenoweth – a phenomenon she has called the “3.5% rule”.
Me scatching my head thinking,“10% of Hong Kong protested and still got stomped by China’s boot.” I suppose it could be argued that it’s not the same thing.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 day ago
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 1 day ago
I think the research was done prior to that event. It’s fairly old at this point.
Also, it’s a bit ambiguous how to count Hong Kong as a semi-autonomous region in China. Should you measure by percentage of Hong Kongers or percentage of Chinese? I might think the latter, since they’re subject to the force of that nation.
threeganzi@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
Hong Kong was supposed to be free to control itself until 2048, democracy and free speech etc. China the decided that Hong Kong was starting to getting a little too free and started to tell the sitting president to shut the protests down.
China eventually took back control and instituted a national security law that could be used for pretty much anything after the crackdown didn’t quell the unrest.
I was actively following it live as it unfolded. It was very sad to see how much young people fought for basic freedoms and still lost it.
I remember being torn between my general non-violence stance and also understanding the protestors reciprocating the police violence.
fodor@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
I don’t think we can accept your argument, because in point in fact Hong Kong was an independent country. Certainly trying to disagree but now we’re getting into a definition question, but if that’s going to stop us from applying the proposed principle, then we can do that in every situation.
Womble@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
HK has literally never been independent, it went from being a Qing fishing village to a British concession, to a British overseas territory and then to a PRC special autonomous region.
throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Hong Kong was an independent country
Not too sure about that. PRC’s PLA has literally been in HK since 1997. You can’t really call yourself “independent” when you have an outside force occupying you.
Taiwan does have its own military, so that’s why they are considered de facto independant.
yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Maybe you’d need 3.5% of China’s population? Or are we counting Hong Kong as a military occupation? Well, I doubt if 3.5% of Ukrainians protested that Russia would just leave, so external occupations probably don’t count.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 day ago
the Arab spring also springs to mind.