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• uranibaba@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “hands-on” graduation project

  Does hand-on mean supervised?

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  • 14th_cylon@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    no, it means they will try to somehow apply the knowledge they acquired to real life problem. creating a project, instead of writing a text.

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• Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  well how would you verify wether a thesis was written by AI? Mind that accusations are a serious matter, so “i guess it sorta looks like AI” or a percent number spat out by some unreliable LLM-detection AI isnt going to cut it

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  • 14th_cylon@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    well, not sure if it works the same everywhere in the world, but here, you first write the graduation thesis and then you have to publicly defend it.

    if the defense committee (or is it an attack committee, since it is the student who is on defense? :D) can’t ask questions in a way to find out whether the student actually wrote the paper and understands the topic, then what fucking pseudo-scientific field is that? (and the answer indeed is - it is economics 😂)

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    • danzabia@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Then the student could just ask the AI to simulate a thesis defense and learn answers to the most likely questions.

      The funny thing is, they would actually learn the material this way, through a kind of osmosis. I remember writing cheat sheets in college and finding I didn’t need it by the end.

      So there are potential use cases, but not if the university doesn’t acknowledge it and continues asking for work that can be simply automated.

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      • 14th_cylon@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Then the student could just ask the AI to simulate a thesis defense and learn answers to the most likely questions.

        while my opinion of economy as a field is not very high, i still have high enough opinion of any teacher to believe they do outperform shitty ai…

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  • Ledericas@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    from what ive seen on some reddit posts, they USE AI to accuse the student of writing in AI.

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• Lodespawn@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Jesus how bad are their student papers that they can’t tell whether an AI wrote one?!

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  • 14th_cylon@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    more like “how bad is the education”?

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    • Lodespawn@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Well that’s a much better question.

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  • danzabia@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Students are now prompting the AI to make it sound like a student wrote it, or putting it through an AI detector and changing the parts that are detected as being written by AI (adding typos or weird grammar, say). Even kids who write their own papers have to do the latter sometimes.

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  • mineralfellow@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Perfect grammar and slightly unusual words in a paragraph. Could be a weird formulation from a student’s mind, could be AI. No way to really know.

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    • Lodespawn@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If the peer review are unable to differentiate between student output and AI output then they are either incompetent or they are inundated with absolute garbage. The latter also suggests the former is true.

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      • mineralfellow@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I just finished marking student reports. There are some sections clearly written without AI, some that clearly are written by AI, and then some sections where the ideas are correct, the grammar is perfect, and it is on topic, but it doesn’t seem like it is written in the student’s voice. Could be AI, could be a friend editing, could be plagiarism, could be written long before or after the surrounding paragraphs. It is not always obvious, and the edge cases are the problem.

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  • Ledericas@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    the professors are using AI to sniff out AI.

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    • Lodespawn@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah given the quality of AI outputs they could just read the papers to spot it … you know … do their jobs? I mean there’s a few layers here for thesis review, you supervisor, your professor, the other peer reviewers. They are all supposed to review the paper and at least some of the data that led to its production.

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