And they had to be dragged into it by the japanese
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MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Just a reminder that it took the US years to join the Second World War while the UK was pounded by the Nazis. Canada joined the war nine days after it began. Remember who your friends are. The US isn’t anyone’s friend but it’s own.
PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Bombed into it.
systemglitch@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Fuck America
aaron@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
Hijacking this post to say: there are too many Americans in this thread arguing about the second world war, somehow apparently suggesting the US is not an untrustable former ally, rather than the important story itself.
LilB0kChoy@midwest.social 3 weeks ago
You know the American hegemony people from Europe seem to be quick to complain about these days? That’s directly related to the US joining in WWII.
The US was largely isolationist though starting to change during that time. That changed drastically after WWII for multiple reasons.
You know NATO? The thing the US dumps money and resources into? That didn’t exist then but the League of Nations did. You who wasn’t a part of the League of Nations? The US.
The US isn’t anyone’s friend but it’s own.
Maybe, but the cherry picked example you’re trying to use looks mighty different in context.
MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Cherry picked? 9 days versus 829 days. Cherry pick my ass.
LilB0kChoy@midwest.social 3 weeks ago
Can you articulate why, with what they knew in 1939, the US should have declared war and not after they were directly attacked?
It baffles me how you don’t see the hypocrisy of both complaining about the US not joining WWII until they were directly attacked and also complaining about American hegemony today.
Saryn@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
There is nothing to be baffled by. You’re just misrepresenting the argument.
It baffles me how you don’t see the hypocrisy of both complaining about the US not joining WWII until they were directly attacked and also complaining about American hegemony today.
It’s only baffling if you assume ab initio that the only possible kind of intervention is the imperialist, interventionist one, and that that is the only way of describing the country’s (or any other Allied country for that matter) entry into WW2. More generally, its only baffling if you assume that involvement naturally equates to “hegemony”, and the behavior that implies, in the long-term. This viewpoint totally negates the normative side of power which is why it has been all but abondoned by contemporary IR scholars, political scientists, sociologists, etc.
In short, you misrepresent (deliberately or otherwise) your opponent’s argument by assuming that all exercise of power is “hegemonic”, an assertion that is not grounded in reality. At this point, you should also be able to see the moral issues with some of what you said and the overall image you presented of the human condition. Classical geopolitical thinking is simply not valid and tends to reproduce highly unstable and dangerous systems by ignorant human who reify it into reality.
Can you articulate why, with what they knew in 1939, the US should have declared war
Sure (and you too should be able to - its real simple). It starts with an f and with a ascism. Though I’ll give you that policy analysts at the USDOS at the time didn’t see it in those terms. I’m also willing to bet they knew a lot more than you think you know but do let me know if you think I’m wrong.
MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
For 829 days the US sat and watched.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
The US joined the war in Europe as a war on USSR. To limit their gains. Colonizing the western part.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Can you articulate why, with what they knew in 1939, the US should have declared war and not after they were directly attacked?
I’ll let prime minister Neville Chamberlain do so.
“We and France are to-day, in fulfillment of our obligations, going to the aid of Poland, who is so bravely resisting this wicked and unprovoked attack upon her people. We have a clear conscience. We have done all that any country could do to establish peace, but a situation in which no word given by Germany’s ruler could be trusted and no people or country could feel themselves safe had become intolerable.”
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Technically, the USA was not directly attacked. Hawaii and Philippines were US colonies. The situation in the Philippines was worse, and it was not mentioned in FDR’s speech while they were getting pounded by the Japanese.
Womble@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
That’s not really a fair comparison, Canada wasn’t a fully independent country in 1939, they were still a dominion of the British empire with foreign policy set from London (though otherwise self ruling).
MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Then why did it take 9 days?
LilB0kChoy@midwest.social 3 weeks ago
[Four days after the United Kingdom had declared war on 3 September 1939, Parliament was called in special session and both King and Manion stated their support for Canada following Britain, but did not declare war immediately, partly to show that Canada was joining out of her own initiative and was not obligated to go to war.
Also from the link:
Canada did not intend to get involved to the extent they did at the start. That changed after the Battle of Dieppe in 1942, along with other events.
MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Canada entered the was 9 days after it started. The US entered the war 820 days later.
Canada went and fought while the US sat and watched.