Comment on What did Musk and Trump fall out over?
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Publicly, Elon said Trump’s bill was full of pork and would increase spending and debt by a lot.
Voters on the right were already waking up to how shitty Trump’s bill was, and Musk just used his megaphone to let even more of Trump’s base know that it sucked.
Privately, Musk is probably pissed that Trump’s bill didn’t help his companies. These are two greedy assholes. It all comes down to money and ego at the end of the day.
LadyButterfly@lazysoci.al 2 days ago
That’s a really good explanation thanks! Can you ELI5 why the bill sucked?
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 2 days ago
The bill give massive tax cuts to the extremely rich, and it attempts to pay for part of that by:
When you do the math, the rich will get a lot of money, the very poor will have lose money, the and middle class will break even but many will be put on unemployment.
And it costs an extra $4,000,000,000,000, which is fucking bonkers.
LadyButterfly@lazysoci.al 2 days ago
This sounds ludicrously bad. What are the perceived benefits? How is it being sold to peopl? It sounds abysmal
butwhyishischinabook@lemmy.world 2 days ago
A lot of people still buy into trickle down economics despite consistently not working for the several decades we have tried it and reflexively support tax cuts for the wealthy reflexively. A lot of those same people also think that kicking people off of what they consider to be “welfare” will somehow magically result in those people quickly becoming employed, thinking that the reason they aren’t employed is because they aren’t facing serious enough consequences for unemployment.
10001110101@lemm.ee 16 hours ago
From the people I know, who do depend on these programs and like Trump, they don’t believe they will have their benefits reduced. The think the other people, “taking advantage” of the system will be kicked off. It’s being sold as reducing fraud and abuse. The right-wing has been pushing this framing for decades, and many people have bought into it.
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I guess the big argument is that giving a bunch of money to the wealthy will stimulate the economy. Although, that’s an argument that many nations, including the US, have 50 years of data on, and there isn’t much to support that argument. Trickle down economics hasn’t been shown to work.
I also, if you’re in the camp that doesn’t believe in climate change and or thinks poor people are poor because of character flaws, then you probably like this thing. Or if you’re a wealthy person who donated a lot of money to republican politicians, you probably like this thing, because it’s a return on investment.
It’s not particularly great. Many people on the right only voted for it because they’re afraid Trump will primary them, and end their political careers, if they oppose.
zombyreagan@lemm.ee 2 days ago
Normal people hate it because it’s gutting things like Medicare, and GOP ghouls hate it because it doesn’t cut enough and will add to the deficit by a lot
shalafi@lemmy.world 1 day ago
No, the GOP hates it because it will cut into their poorest voters, big time, such a cut that Fox won’t be able to explain it away.
shplane@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
They’ll just say Biden did it. Simple as that.
DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Doubt
LadyButterfly@lazysoci.al 2 days ago
Ah I see thanks. Cits to medicaid can only be bad IMO. How does it add to the deficit?
clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
It’s four trillion dollars in spending, huge tax cuts that mean less revenue on top of the cost, and cuts to incredibly important programs.