This always going to happen when a small group of people are going to try and the communications of a much larger group. They cannot scale and the more they try to keep up, the more tgey will cut corners and take easy, lazy decision.
Instead, everyone has to participate in community self-moderation. It should all be transparent and optionnal. Local sorting algorithms showing users what they ask to see.
Having a secret vanguard operating in the shadows is not acceptable,. Not only ut hurts them until they grow big enough to be the efficient secret police but then it creates an underlying organization of control shaping discourse on the entire platform.
The way forward is NOT to be reddit with extra steps.
Walican132@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
I’ve noticed this a ton over the last two or three months. Lemmy has become so much more negative than it was when I joined. It’s a real bummer. I can’t even imagine trying to be a mod or an admin.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
agreed. the honeymoon period post-reddit-exodus was nice but this place is just like everywhere else now.
floofloof@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
It’s still quite a lot nicer than reddit, even if it has its share of unpleasant characters. Whenever I read a reddit thread I am glad Lemmy exists.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
It’s the normal amount of suck that is inherent and not the turbo suck that corpos intentionally cultivate for profit
halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Fascinating how quickly you can forget the actual abuse when thinking about an abusive ex.
Psythik@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
And at least the average Lemmy user isn’t a complete fucking idiot.
I remember the early days of reddit, when we would make fun of the kids over at /r/SummerReddit every June. But then those kids grew up, took over the website, and now /r/SummerReddit is all of reddit.
Walican132@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Yeah I was bored the other day and opened up a niche reddit community and I was just floored at how positive everyone was versus the same community here. But I digress I imagine it’s going to be phases and I’ll continue to try and be positive.
3dmvr@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
name the communities lol
Ledericas@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
you wouldnt get randomly banned here as you would on reddit, which i found out from the shadowban sub, even looking at your account wrong can trigger a ban.
Sandbar_Trekker@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Based on the uptick in “I was banned from Reddit” posts, I’m thinking that we’re getting a lot more users that were banned for good reason from Reddit. Looks like Reddit has also stepped up their game in their ability to keep those users off their platform.
Walican132@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Oh that’s an interesting thought that I hadn’t had.
Hopefully we aren’t becoming the containment board.
Ledericas@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
i visited the sub for shadowbans occasionally, i noticed alot of them were getting banned for no reason at all, so theres that to keep in mind, as long with the purges.
and then you got the ones that are the problematic ones: they are banning me because of my opinion, you know kinda which way they lean on the spectrum.
Tanoh@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I think that is just an effect of growing, or at least not shrinking and sticking around. There is ni point in spaming somewhere where there are no active users.
Zonetrooper@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I don’t know if it was that short term, but I’ve always been rather concerned with the sharp degree of hostility and even outright hatred that seems to be tacitly accepted or encouraged.
brot@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
My instance constantly gets attacked for being a “pro genocide nazi instance”. Which totally is not the case, but admins and mods are trying to ensure that no content is posted that is illegal where they live. And local rules here are also quite sensible.
catloaf@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
How often do those laws actually get enforced, especially for small online communities who are against genocide? Like I understand not wanting to run afoul of the law, even if the law is immoral, but is it a realistic risk?
brot@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
First of all, telling admins that they should break the law and face legal risks and fines because you want it is exactly what the Lemm.ee admins are talking about. Burning out, problems with replacements and so on. And second: We are talking about content in the style of “Israel has to die, kill all the jews” and yes, people get prosecuted for that. And you really do not want stuff like that on your instance, even if your country allows it
General_Effort@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Difficult question. I think it’s realistic. Hate speech laws are enforced against individuals on a regular basis. If a German instance tolerated illegal content, then I expect the instance would sooner or later be involved in a prosecution. The prosecution would be against the user, though. The instance would only have to provide data to police. I’m not sure at what point the instance owners themselves would be found to violate these laws.
Apart from that, the instance is required to remove illegal content per the DSA. I think it’s realistic to expect that a prosecution would lead to a closer look at the instance.
JayGray91@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
I mean if you're someone new and then inundated with terrible news every day because you're still getting the hang of moderating your feed by yourself, you're bound to carry negative attitude everywhere else.
reddit can, have been, and will continue to be angry right leaning, and here it's the opposite. I get it, there are matters worth being angry about. but surrounding yourself with it just makes it pointless
Ledericas@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
coincides with the ban purges of reddit of recently.