Comment on In North Korea, your phone secretly takes screenshots every 5 minutes for government surveillance

just2look@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• yucandu@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  frequently stopping young people on the streets to inspect their phones and review text messages for banned language

  I’m really tired of people saying “both sides are the same” when it comes to western capitalist exploitation vs eastern totalitarian authoritarianism.

  It’s ironically so privileged to even make the comparison because if it were the same, you wouldn’t have been allowed to make this comment.

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  • plyth@feddit.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    if it were the same, you wouldn’t have been allowed to make this comment.

    It works both ways. Is OP allowed to make the comment because he is priviliged or because he is powerless and no threat?

    Remember the McCarthy era. There can be more restrictions if needed.

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  • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I agree, western capitalist exploitation is far worse, but privileged liberals in the imperial core aren’t the main victim, and they only care if their billionaire owned media tells them to.

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  • Obelix@feddit.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I totally agree. Stuff like Microsoft recall is not great and America under Trump neither, but it is nothing compared to North Korea. That is a hellhole nobody who grew up in a free western society really can even imagine.

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    • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’d rather live in NK then in Gaza: the West loves to create hellholes, and the US has the most prisoners of any country on earth so calling it a ‘free society’ is pretty rich.

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    • Vespair@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Frequently the point of comparing the two is to caution before they actually become comparable, though. I think it’s intentional hyperbole to make a stark point, not an insensitive reduction.

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  • just2look@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I didn’t say both sides are the same. I made a stupid joke about a garbage operating system and the garbage company that runs it.

    And your example of stopping people on the streets to inspect their phones doesn’t really do a great job at making the argument you’re trying to make. We have ICE running around and throwing people into contracted prisons even when they have proof of citizenship. We are trafficking people to foreign concentration camps. We are rocketing at light speed to a techno fascist authoritarian state and the level of surveillance we are under is increasing at a mind boggling pace.

    So we aren’t the same, and the people currently in charge are striving to make the differences smaller every day.

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    • GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      In addition to your point, literally just two days ago I saw an article about a Texas sheriff running a search through a nation-wide network of license plate readers to track down a woman suspected of having an abortion.

      Oh OK they didn’t stop her on the street, they just queried the panopticon system that tracked her movement as much as possible. Want to protest a genocide your state and university are sponsoring? Sorry, MIT will muzzle you and now you are now forbidden from giving the commencement address. Wouldn’t want to offend the dear leader in the white house.

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    • tauren@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I made a stupid joke

      Nah, the joke was fine. They overreacted.

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• InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Better than recall. No need for special hardware like an NPU, nor does it keep asking you to sign in.

  /s

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  • NotAnotherLemmyUser@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    An NPU isn’t required for something like recall, it just makes running local models more efficient.

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• mitram@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Although I dislike recall as much as anyone else, this is quite a bit worse.

  From the article:

  Then came the more unsettling features. The phone silently captured a screenshot every five minutes, storing the images in a hidden folder that users couldn’t access. According to the BBC, authorities could later review these images to monitor the user’s activity.

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  • raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I don’t see how this is worse.

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    • mitram@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’ve explained my point here

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  • lemmylommy@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    How? If authorities seize your computer, don’t you think the recall screenshots is the first they will look at?

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    • mitram@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Sure, but at least from a technical POV those screenshots are accessible to the users, can be deleted/manipulated and the user is not forced to have the feature enabled

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    • Kabaka@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      For sure. But at least those images aren’t kept in a secret location where users can’t see or delete them. Even if Recall makes this harder, there’s a meaningful difference here.

      That said, neither one is doing you any privacy favors…

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      • tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Has everyone forgotten about the NSA and their absurdly massive data centers? At least a portion of the US population likely has substantial data from their tech in a database we can’t access.

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  • bleistift2@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Recall stores an image every few seconds. 5 minutes is indeed much worse. Think of all the content they’re missing!

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