Comment on Elektrek: "Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night"

sdf05@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  That was a really good show.

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• III@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You should finish watching that first episode before making such bold statements.

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  • Ocelot@lemmies.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I mean I think its still a valid point. The car in the show was sabotaged, and that is definitely something that might be a thing once all cars self-drive. Especially once they remove controls like steering wheels.

    There hasn’t been a tesla FSD hack yet, but it would take spoofing a software update (and spoof the authentication and certs, etc)… The attacker would need to have access to a pretty massive supercomputer to make their own custom self-driving software and today getting the certs and everything right is next to impossible… but even then its only next to impossible, not impossible.

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    • evatronic@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It may be difficult to spoof a certificate today, but tomorrow is a whole new day. To wit, OpenSSL has a pretty long history of serious vulnerabilities, despite being the best SSL library out there.

      It is absolutely only a matter of time until the Tesla OTA functionality is compromised. There’s too many moving parts for it to not be.

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      • Ocelot@lemmies.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        There are still a lot of other layers that need to be compromised past the cert for such an attack to even be possible. Even so, I suspect when such an attack does happen it will probably be for stealing cars. Your car would just wake up in the middle of the night and drive itself somewhere else to be cut up for parts. Less likely is any kind of safety issue since its so easy to take over control of the car.

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      • jabjoe@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        “Attack surface” is the term you want. Big software means big attack surface. So keep code lean for security as well as efficiency.

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    • 8ender@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Don’t even need sabotage. You already share the road with cars that someone repaired under a tree with the cheapest parts they could find.

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      • reddithalation@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        oh look more anti right to repair sentiment.

        no, cars repaired by people other than the manufacturer wont kill you

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• jabjoe@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Well hold on there, he survived the crash, and would probably have been ok. It was the upload that killed him.

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  • sdf05@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yeah, my bad 🤣 I meant the car technically endangered him to not live longer 😔

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