Comment on It's Breathtaking How Fast AI Is Screwing Up the Education System

• DoPeopleLookHere@sh.itjust.works ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Because it test what you actually retained, not what you can convince an AI to tell you.

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  • FourWaveforms@lemm.ee ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    But what good is that if AI can do it anyway?

    That is the crux of the issue.

    Years ago the same thing was said about calculators, then graphing calculators. I had to drop a star class and take it again later because the dinosaur didn’t want me to use a graphing calculator.

    Naturally they were all full of shit.

    But this? This is different. AI is currently as good as a graphing calculator for some engineering tasks, horrible for some others, excellent at still others. It will get better over time. And what happens when it’s awesome at everything?

    What is the use of being the smartest human when you’re easily outclassed by a machine?

    If we get fully automated yadda yadda, do many of us turn into mush-brained idiots who sit around posting all day? Everyone retires and builds Adirondack chairs and sips mint juleps and whatever? (That would be pretty sweet. But how to get there without mass starvation and unrest?)

    Alternately, do we have to do a Butlerian Jihad to get rid of it, and threaten execution to anyone who tries to bring it back… only to ensure we have capitalism and poverty forever?

    These are the questions. You have to zoom out to see them.

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    • Natanael@infosec.pub ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Because if you don’t know how to tell when the AI succeeded, you can’t use it.

      To know when it succeeded, you must know the topic.

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      • FourWaveforms@lemm.ee ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I’m not sure what you’re implying. I’ve used it to solve problems that would’ve taken days to figure out on my own, and my solutions might not have been as good.

        I can tell whether it succeeded because its solutions either work, or they don’t. The problems I’m using it on have that property.

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    • DoPeopleLookHere@sh.itjust.works ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      but what good is that if AI can do it anyway?

      It can’t. It just fucking can’t. We’re all pretending it does, but it fundamentally can’t.

      appleinsider.com/…/apples-study-proves-that-llm-b…

      Creative thinking is still a long way beyond reasoning as well. We’re not close yet.

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      • Tiresia@slrpnk.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It can and it has done creative mathematical proof work. Nothing spectacular, but at least on par with a mathematics grad student.

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      • FourWaveforms@lemm.ee ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It’s already capable of doing a lot, and there is reason to expect it will get better over time. If we stick our fingers in our ears and pretend that’s not possible, we will not be prepared.

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    • HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      If you want to compare a calculator to an LLM, you could at least reasonably expect the calculator result to be accurate.

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      • FourWaveforms@lemm.ee ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It often is. I’ve got a lot of use out of it.

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• BakerBagel@midwest.social ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  What do you think testing is for? It’s to show what you know/have learned

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  • Skellysgirl@lemm.ee ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Education and learning are two different things. School tests are to repeat back what has been educated to you. Meaningful learning tends to be internally motivated and AI is unlikely to fulfill that aspect.

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    • MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This is the purpose of essay questions.

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