Comment on The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source.

• 7dev7random7@suppo.fi ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Does Lemmy even know what EEE means anymore or are we regurgitating words we heard from some article now?

  So either all people of lemmy don’t know shit (you are not included here - implied) or only your assumption is valid: Wrong sources.

  What’s it going to embrace and extend?

  It embraces the Linux ecosystem and DX on windows. Microsoft is extending the Linux kernel and other Linux projects.

  WSL has existed for ages and is just a way to run Linux in a convenient container on top of Windows. That’s it.

  To you, yes. Can you speak for any project? Is there not a single project where the userbase are consisting of WSL users with compatability issues? Did you research about it? If so, prompt sources.

  It’s not an attempt to “extenguish” Linux, literally just make the development experience on Windows less painful so people don’t switch to another OS. This has nothing to do with EEE.

  Trying to bundle the userbase in their subsystem is literally rendering a dedicated Linux machine obsolete. If all would stay there the rest of the distro community would extinguish.

  Open sourcing it with a permissive license can only be a good thing,

  Can it? Contributing substracts work hours from other projects. So “only be a good thing” is wrong. There are more perspectives then just yours.

  and again they’re doing it to be more appealing to devs and maybe get free bug fixes from the open source community.

  You got sources about their intentions? You just said it: They are conquering the labor market of personal devs.

  It isn’t some grand conspiracy. But of course this community will react to news of “proprietary blob is now open source” with pessimism.

  Did you already review the code? No concerns left? How about pulling private servers for data? Is everything mirrored onto their servers? Any binary blobs there? Tracking/monitoring? Is it safe in regards of privacy and security?

  Hopefully you see that you ain’t holding all answers and opinions of the entire world. Cheers.

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• sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  literally just make the development experience on Windows less painful so people don’t switch to another OS.

  You said it right there yourself and don’t seem to realize it.

  Why have a laptop or a dual boot with Linux when you can now more easily stay on the proprietary OS ?

  This is called market retention.

  Preventing migration to another OS, another software ecosystem.

  The ‘Embrace’ and ‘Extend’ parts of EEE.

  And if it works, then in a few years, MSFT will figure out how to further monetize some other part of its software ecosystem that is either reliant on, or much much easier for an average user of WSL to use.

  Call that EEM for ‘monetization’ if you want, or ‘enshittifying’ for another E…

  …the commonly used term to describe software or services or platforms that suddenly jump over to making previously free stuff cost money, put ads everywhere, break the previously free features and put the ‘new’ working versions behind some kind of paywall…

  … All after you’ve captured your market and dominated as many competitors as possible.

  Standard monopolist strategy throughout the entite history of capitalism, same general concept goes back even further.

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  • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You: “Let me explain Embrace, Extend, Extinguish to you”

    Also you: clearly doesn’t understand what Embrace, Extend, Extinguish actually was

    Microsoft aren’t trying to change Linux with proprietary things that only work on WSL. That would be EEE. Microsoft are just letting you run Linux inside Windows, so people who need or want Linux can do it on their Windows machine instead of also needing a Linux machine.

    This won’t stop anyone who hates Windows from using a Linux machine, because this is inside Windows.

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  • The_Decryptor@aussie.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Why have a laptop or a dual boot with Linux when you can now more easily stay on the proprietary OS ?

    This is called market retention.

    Preventing migration to another OS, another software ecosystem.

    The ‘Embrace’ and ‘Extend’ parts of EEE.

    That’s stretching the definition to the point it’s nearly unrecognisable.

    What the term meant was for things like Internet Explorer, where MS adopted an existing standard (Embrace), started changing it in incompatible ways (Extend), while using their market power to lock out competitors (Extinguish)

    e.g. IE used an incompatible method for sizing and laying out elements than any other browser, so a site that laid out properly in NN4 looked broken in IE6, and vise versa. So most devs targeted IE6 as it was more popular, and NN4 users got more and more broken sites.

    ACPI was similar, Windows had an extremely lax implementation of it, so motherboards often shipped with bugs that Windows would ignore but would stop anything else from booting. Intentional? Doesn’t really matter, since it sure was helpful in slowing the adoption of things like Linux, that had to come up with workarounds for all the broken hardware.

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    • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Linux is a standard they have Embraced.

      As a for-profit tech monopolist, they will, very predictably, Extinguish the ability of people who use WSL instead of just actually Linux… to be easily able to… fully transition to a competitor (Linux).

      The Extend part just looks different, because the scope of software competition offered by Linux is much more vast than just a particular standard for a particular kind of software.

      … Potato, potato.

      I used to work for Microsoft.

      The ethos is absolutely still there: Create vendor lock in, create ecosystem dependence in every way possible, as well as in ways that 99% of people would not even think are possible.

      EEE is just the term they came up with to describe their own, overarching, monopolist general strategy, and if you wanna quibble over the precise technicalities of an internal corporate slogan, well then you’d be the kind of person MSFT is filled with that made me no longer want to work for them.

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• FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Careful now, you’re gonna be called a bootlicker for that lol. Everything Microsoft do is evil according to Lemmings.

  You’re 100% right though. People on here regurgitate catchphrases and terms that they heard other people in their echo chamber use without understanding what they mean, and because the person who they heard using it also didn’t know what they meant, it’s just a comedy of incorrect usage of terms.

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