I don’t think this will happen
this is purely me trying to find any crumb of hope in this abysmal situation
spankmonkey@lemmy.world 4 days ago
You should read some US history if you think that is going to happen.
Kroxx@lemm.ee 4 days ago
spankmonkey@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Yes, I was pointing out why you shouldn’t try to convince yourself to think that there is any possible chance of a positive coming out of this.
LesserAbe@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Have you read U.S. history?
Despite the land of freedom hype, we started as a country where only land owning white men could vote, and slavery was law. As flawed as things are now (and there will always be a need to improve and fight injustice) slavery has been abolished, all men and women can vote, child labor abolished, 40 hour work week, gay marriage legal.
We should be realistic and honest about the bad things happening right now. But if we don’t believe it’s possible for things to get better (doomerism) then it’s much less likely they will, and believing that ignores the actual historical evidence.
spankmonkey@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Except in prisons
Except for the ones who can’t because of felonies that are arbitrarily decided to be disqualifying.
Except for family businesses, and if you haven’t noticed Republicans are bringing child labor back.
Except for exempt employees.
Conservatives are working on getting this overturned just like they overturned Roe v Wade.
Yeah, we aren’t as shitty as we were 250 years ago but the gains we have made in those centuries is pretty fucking basic. We still have massive problems and Republicans and their half of the voting population are working turelessly to bring back the absolute worst things.
Yes, I have read history.
LesserAbe@lemmy.world 3 days ago
OP said “maybe something good will come out of this” and you said look at history, the best that will happen is some minor temporary improvement. I pointed out several significant long lasting advances. I don’t see where anything you said here disproves that.
As I said, yes, there are significant problems we need to address. But being negative to the point of denying reality isn’t some act of resistance, it’s capitulation. Telling people there’s no hope helps the enemy.
Montagge@lemmy.zip 4 days ago
Took a civil war
Not all and women voting took violent riots to come to be
People died in gun battles against the government and hired guns to get these
It’s legal but easy to take away, and also took violent riots
LesserAbe@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I’ll quote my reply to the other person:
As I said, yes, there are significant problems we need to address. But being negative to the point of denying reality isn’t some act of resistance, it’s capitulation. Telling people there’s no hope helps the enemy.
veniasilente@lemm.ee 4 days ago
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AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
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veniasilente@lemm.ee 3 days ago
It’s called observing reality. For example, gay marriage is illegal in several states, slavery only got legalized to ~40 hrs a week, incarcerated men and women are deprived the right to vote, etc.
Come on it’s not that hard.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 3 days ago
I mean, gay marriage is legal at least for now
veniasilente@lemm.ee 3 days ago
Are you sure? Legal means it has to be legal everywhere, otherwise you can just get the same treatment eg.: doctors get for providing abortion. Nowadays, that means you can get ICEd by an out-of-state order.