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1984@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

The only problem is that you guys call everyone a transphone or homophobe or liberal or whatever, all the time. Its actually a bit funny because you dont see the forest for the trees. Everyone has to think exactly the same or they are THE ENEMY and need to be keyboard warriored into compliance with right-think :)

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_core@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Cmformity of thought, belief, or action isn’t the problem. The oroblem is treating some people or groups as less than human and not deserving of equal rights and opportunities.

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ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

If you have calm discussions and listen, you will absolutely 100% see that most people are actually quite alright. Even if they dont like trans people, they will eventuelly get there, by having discussions and chats and seeing them in the real world.

Respectfully, you have no idea what you’re talking about. I live in Texas and I am surrounded by the conservative mindset. There is a chittering madness about these people that causes them to frenzy any time something triggers them as being “woke” or “trans” or in any way challenging to their narrow world-view. They cannot be reasoned with, I have tried far too long with no effect. Their beliefs are couched in white christonationalism and the stupid masses having their stupid beliefs vindicated by bad actors in positions of power.

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AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
The problem is these are the people who won’t get there, plus they’re harming a lot of people in the meantime.

Codger mode ….

Back when I was a wee young’un, I lived in a small town in a rural area. Republicans ideals made sense (whose not to like fiscal prudence), we read about the crime ridden horrors of big cities, read about the inbred fear of education down south, read about drugs destroying peoples lives, read about welfare queens, read about illegal immigrants and crime. We “weren’t racist” but those dark skin people were violent criminals. Products of our environments I guess.

Like you, I grew up. As I was exposed to a larger variety of people, I discovered they were people. As I saw more people in situations outside their control, I developed more empathy. As I got to know people with different preferences than mine, I learned their preferences didn’t do me any harm. Now decades later, it’s hard to understand the fear, oppression, racism, hatred, and it’s impossible to understand the unethical inconsistent self serving authoritarians that Republicans have become. I’ve seen it too. I apologize to everyone I hurt because it took years for me to grow into a better human being.

The problem is these are the people who never grew out of it. They’re the people who saw their friends and family expand their horizons, but retreated ever deeper into their holes. Theyre the people who saw progress and desperately yearned for a mythical past that never was. They’re the people who saw everyone else growing out of their limitations, and turned to extremism. They are not joining everyone else but have turned their backs and headed the other directions. They are the diehards wallowing in their misery who don’t care about anyone else’s misery. They are the righteous who have lost their way, cloaking their hatred, spite and corruption is self-righteous desperation. They are the self-centered stealing from society and stealing from the future. They are the limited viewpoint building ever higher walls rather than venturing out. They won’t change.

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WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Counterpoint: call out bigotry or fuck off

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- 1984@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  You know, there oneliners may sound cool when you are a teenager, but they are signs of a mind who thinks in absolutes, because there is no wisdom yet.
  
  It will come through life and getting older. :)
  
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  - WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Nah. Can almost guarantee I would have been on your side when I was your age.
    
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Almacca@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Apart from anything, spending all that energy resisting change that’s coming anyway must be exhausting. It’s no wonder they’re so cranky.

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shaggyb@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

I remember how this worked in Sweden where I live

Yeah, things don’t work that way everywhere.

We tried being nice in America. It got us here.

You just go back to enjoying your ivory tower. We have actual problems here and your high road is not the solution.

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- 1984@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  How did you try being nice? You have a war on everything… Drugs, freedom, privacy… Im honestly not sure how you see yourself as being nice…
  
  High road? Im also not sure how you took the high road. Im genuinely interested, maybe my perspective here is completely wrong.
  
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  - shaggyb@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    All of those things you mentioned were right wing power grabs.
    
    Taking the high road was letting that shit become mainstream.
    
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  - AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Some of those were well intended over reactions.
    
    “War on drugs” was hyperbole to stoke up enthusiasm to fight against a real problem. And somehow ended with millions of broken lives, millions behind bars for victimless crimes, worse racism. Maybe it was taken over by racists, or maybe we all got caught up in the moment, but it was mostly not being able to face when it went wrong, then eventually only the worst conservatives were in charge
    
    “War on organized crime” also well intended hyperbole to mobilize effort against a real problem. People forgot lessons about whether the “means justifies the end”, and now after trying to get back to a normal life we’re left with legalized rights violations. “For our own good”, a surveillance state, more racism, legalized theft, and cops above the law. As we tried to recover, only the worst authoritarians were left in charge and it got worse quickly.
    
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