Fwiw, I wish the two parties were more cooperative, but it takes two to tango. Greens aren’t obliged to blindly pass every bill that Labor proposes, the burden is also on Labor to negotiate their proposals to gain majority support.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 5 months ago
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ziltoid101@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
Yeah I thought that was the whole point of a parliamentary system.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 5 months ago
they aren’t obligated to block critical funding for housing either, they made their decision and ive made mine
the real pain for me is that when i went to vote there was like 5 nutter parties all of them right wing, the libs and then just labor and the greens on the left, limited choices for anyone left wing :(
Zagorath@aussie.zone 5 months ago
They didn’t block critical funding. They stalled a long-term project by a few weeks, and in the process improved that project both in the long term and forced it to include some benefit in the shorter term.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 5 months ago
They stalled a long-term project by a few weeks
It was stuck in the Senate for half a year?? Labor nearly called a double dissolution over it? Need I remind you we’re trying to build houses in a housing crisis?
Even Jonny Sri admitted:
www.jonathansri.com/greensmustblock/
The Greens MPs and their staffers had concluded that a growing proportion of their own support base wanted them to stop blocking.
No shit but he doesn’t comprehend why:
If the Greens don’t block Labor, nothing will change
You can block labor, on things that need to be blocked on, if labor wants to build a coal power plant, go for your life, block the shit out of it
If labor is trying to build some renewables in a very heated/debated area and you demand they build even more, stop it, you’re making it worse
If the greens block Labor too hard they are seen as doing nothing, if they are seen as doing nothing guess who gets in? The liberal party and what are the liberal party offering?
The Coalition has promised to repeal the fund if elected.
No mention of the Greens blocking it for some reason, just straight up, if we get in its gone.
So its more like:
If the Greens block Labor, nothing will change, people will get unhappy, and the libs will get in and then we’ll be stuck yelling from the sidelines like we did for the 10 years prior to labor getting in again
It’s interesting he mentions that as well:
Australia’s fossil fuel emissions … are still rising.
No they’re not, our emissions peaked in 2019
but wouldn’t it have been nice if labor had been in power building out renewables for 10 years instead of Morrison bringing a lump of coal into parliament talking about how great it is? it just shows you haven’t learned a thing since your last screw up
We are a conservative country, the Greens are currently polling within 3% of One Fucking Nation, they have to work better on things that they can really hammer home to people, not in fighting over policies that are aligned with what greens voters actually want
ok last reply on this, i’m just wasting time
jonne@infosec.pub 5 months ago
There’s outright socialist parties ont the ballot as well, and you could argue some of the single issue parties (legalise cannabis party, animal justice party, …) are left wing too even if they don’t have an explicit economic programme. There’s options, and you can preference accordingly so your vote doesn’t trickle to the right wing parties.
eureka@aussie.zone 5 months ago
“Joined forces” is a dodgy way for them to frame that. Libs and Greens both wanted different outcomes. The Greens weren’t being unreasonable and showed themselves to be open to compromise, during a housing crisis.
sqgl@beehaw.org 5 months ago
I didn’t like Greens’
- support of the Digital Identity Bill
- support for Hamas
- Larissa Waters: “I believe women”
But they will probably get my #1 in the lower house and probably preference flows in the upper.
I won’t let perfect be the enemy of good.
maniacalmanicmania@aussie.zone 5 months ago
Speaking of unforgiveable, do you know why Labor didn’t stand in Prahran earlier this year?
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 5 months ago
No idea I’m in Brisbane but are you talking about federal labor or state labor?
maniacalmanicmania@aussie.zone 5 months ago
State by-election in Feb.
WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 5 months ago
So they did what minority parties are supposed to do, and told labor “we will not pass your plan unless you double the fund and number of houses”, and labor simply ignored it, letting the bill die like they said it would?
That’s a labor problem. Not a greens problem. The Labor of today is captured and exists to prevent real meaningful change, and low knowledge voters like you blame “the left”.
zurohki@aussie.zone 5 months ago
There’s this weird belief that minority parties are supposed to ignore their own policies and just support whatever the closest major party wants. And not supporting the major party means they’re failing in this duty.
So Labor could drop the plan and blame the Greens for it, instead of actually pushing for their own policy. And the media frames this as a failure by the Greens.
The same media that almost unanimously supports Australia’s right wing conservatives, but I’m sure their opinion on this particular point is completely unbiased.
vividspecter@lemm.ee 5 months ago
There’s often this revisionist history about things as well. Labor wouldn’t negotiate with the Greens over the original ETS, and the Greens get blamed for it not passing. Only a few years later they work together and make a better policy (the carbon price). Abbott comes in and tears it up. Current Labor supporters either conveniently forget this ever happened, or they somehow argue that Abbott would have teared up the carbon price but not the ETS.
prex@aussie.zone 5 months ago
Meaningful change or nothing? Blame labor all you want, the greens voted against an improvement.
Fuck ideals, I want progress.
Even if you disagree with me (which is fair) check your local candidates in theyvoteforyou - especially independents who vary enormously between rhetoric, voting and even attendance.
eureka@aussie.zone 5 months ago
But these aren’t ideals. Those are necessary material requirements for resolving the housing crisis. Shelter, one of the most basic requirements for people to be productive in a modern society. Idealism would be dropping the $56+ billion defense fund to zero and putting it all into housing until we can secure our own population.
Fuck the bare minimum, I want this problem solved before I die. History has shown that without real pressure from unions and “radicals”, Labor might not have even solved segregation (but they’d be making progress).
prex@aussie.zone 5 months ago
If the end result is no legislation being passed then surely you agree that its not a win. We can argue about whose fault it is & realistically that will be different for each bill. For the housing one I would have liked to have seen the greens get it in - it was a measurable improvement. The greens are right to complain about labor bullying but saying no every time gets us nowhere.