Yeah, but can you trust the US going forward? And it’s not like closer relations with the UK or EU would be any help if push came to shove, the logistics alone would make that impossible. Australia needs to make sure it can defend itself with locally sourced technology and materials.
Comment on Security without submarines: the military strategy Australia should pursue instead of AUKUS
Deceptichum@quokk.au 1 month ago
A good defense is not neglecting your offensive capabilities.
Frankly slotting into a large allied force benefits us more than covering our massive coast line in missiles and drones.
jonne@infosec.pub 5 weeks ago
WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 1 month ago
No doubt… But relying on subs, built by a criminally corrupt fascist state, who has already shown that they will abandon or turn on allies at any time, is the dumbest scenario to entertain.
Our agreements shouldn’t completely abandon the US, but they should be kept at arms length, and the possibility that the US could be the invading force should not be neglected.
Deceptichum@quokk.au 1 month ago
Okay, so go with other subs. Don’t go with this stupid idea that we can defend our coastline with missiles and drones.
philpo@feddit.org 1 month ago
And 8 subs that might not ever make it to Australia defend a coastline of 25.000km against the biggest navy in the world? With over half of it(and the important parts) are to shallow for nuclear subs to operate in?
Very possibly without US support because the orange got a wire transfer by Xi? Or another “cheque didn’t clear”?
And no, they won’t be able to limit the chinese navy go the south/east chinese sea - which are sea areas which again are hard for subs to operate in, especially hunt surface targets. And which are,by all means, very likely to be very very well guarded against subs via various installations. I would bet the chinese have something like SOSUS in place there - it’s their home turf after all that has far less ingress channels as the GIUK Gap.
So… tbh: While I don’t follow the conclusions of the author nuclear subs are still a bad idea.
Cypher@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The subs aren’t for defending the Australian coastline they’re to contain China to the South China Sea.
Which is stupid anyway because it’s a very shallow sea and subs are ineffective there. But that’s the strategy chosen by the US.
Deceptichum@quokk.au 1 month ago
The subs are for defending Australia. They don’t purely operate in one fixed location.
The coastline missiles is OPs articles suggestion instead.
jonne@infosec.pub 5 weeks ago
That was the original plan, until Morrison decided to join AUKUS and push out the timeline to getting new subs a few decades further.