Comment on Unlike in movies, most smart people aren't good in chess.

Zizzy@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It is a super deep game for how simple it is, i think that’s the “genius” part. But remembering openings in chess and their names doesn’t make you a genius, it makes you a genius in chess.

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  • Natanael@infosec.pub ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Almost anything where memorization is the primary skill is going to be dominated by people with specific interest, rather than general high intelligence (certainly doesn’t exclude it, but it’s just statistics). Gotta look for something frequently requiring novel problem solving and adaption to filter for high probability of high general intelligence.

    Then there’s also a lot of games requiring very narrow intellectual ability. Being able to parse a specific ruleset, or doing a specific kind of math fast, without needing to be able to handle anything novel. You’ll certainly find some “interesting individuals” around those kinds of games.

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    • GoodLuckToFriends@lemmy.today ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Being able to parse a specific ruleset, or doing a specific kind of math fast

      Oh man, I would love competitive tabletop games, where the goal isn’t to min/max your build, but to min/max your build after being given a brand new system and 45 minutes to read the rules.

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      • SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Lol, I can relate. My friends are always surprised how good I am at a game when I’m playing for the first time (mostly card games, and board games). But I quickly get bored, so never get to be actually good at any of those.

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    • SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Gotta look for something frequently requiring novel problem solving and adaption to filter for high probability of high general intelligence.

      So, to riff off another commenter - league of legends 😅

      Boy is it a toxic and frustrating game but I will give it credit where it’s due, you have to make good tactical decisions in not a lot of time.

      I’m sure overwatch et al. work as well.

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      • DeviantOvary@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        If you’re going to give a “MOBA” as an example, at least go for Dota 2, then. Having played both, LoL is quite one-dimensional and rather repetitive. Of course, you don’t have to be smart or skillful to play either, but top Dota 2 players/pros are really something else.

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    • expr@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Based on the number of comments in this thread, apparently this is a common misconception. Memorization is not the primary skill of chess. Knowledge of chess principles and common ideas, strategies, and tactics and the ability to synthesize those ideas with elements of the current position are the primary skill of chess. In fact, novel problem solving is very fundamental to the game.

      Opening theory prep ultimately makes up a pretty small part of the game (though it is more pronounced at top levels of play). The primary purpose of studying openings is not to just memorize a bunch of lines (though having lines prepped is helpful), but to understand the common thematic elements that arise from said openings and common middlegame positions and ideas.

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  • MimicJar@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Exactly, Chess is Mario Kart.

    Anyone can learn how to play Chess. Anyone can learn how to play Mario Kart.

    You slap a controller in someone’s hand tell them “A” is go and they can play Mario Kart. Sure they have to learn the track, where to collect power ups, where the shortcuts are, and eventually they have to learn about and master drifting.

    But being a genius in Mario Kart doesn’t make you a genius. No heist movie ever said, “And this genius over here? They scored first place in 200cc Special Cup.”

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    • dalekcaan@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I want a version of chess where if you’re down enough material, you have the opportunity to take out half your opponent’s pieces

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      • MimicJar@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I think anarchy chess allows for such rulings.

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  • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s that to be good you have to think several moves ahead. Being able to predict and plan out you and the opponents next 5 moves takes intelligence.

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• jballs@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Would be hilarious if Hollywood moved away from chess to show someone being smart and instead showed the yelling at teammates in League of Legends.

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